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alfmartinez11 Textile Joined: 05/22/2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas 1 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago Well go out and find a girlfriend if your that worried about it.

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alfmartinez11

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Location: Corpus Christi, Texas

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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Well go out and find a girlfriend if your that worried about it.

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tcotta Topless Joined: 12/13/2008 Location: Palm Springs, California 94 posts	Single males 4 months ago I was at Baker Beach a nude Beach in San Francisco last week (midweek). There were about 50 males there, maybe 20 nude and 30 in swimsuit, shorts, or clothes. There were 3 nude females (me being one) and maybe another 3 or 4 females with bathing suits on. If nudist resorts booked all men that called, they would be just like Baker Beach. MC

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tcotta

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Joined: 12/13/2008

Location: Palm Springs, California

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Single males

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I was at Baker Beach a nude Beach in San Francisco last week (midweek). There were about 50 males there, maybe 20 nude and 30 in swimsuit, shorts, or clothes. There were 3 nude females (me being one) and maybe another 3 or 4 females with bathing suits on.

If nudist resorts booked all men that called, they would be just like Baker Beach.

MC

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WillGolden Barefoot Joined: 12/14/2008 Location: Brighton, East Sussex 35 posts	RE: Single males 4 months ago Why should that matter, Tcotta. If there are not enough women who can take their clothes off without feeling sexually embarrassed that is not the fault of genuinely non-sexual single males. All that means is that those females are not truly naturist. Nudism is about body freedom. Not sex! Therefore what is between the legs is irrelevant. Except to the perverts who run the sun clubs I described. When those who run nudism stop distinguishing between male and female, that is the day nudism stops being a sexual activity. And not before!

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WillGolden

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Joined: 12/14/2008

Location: Brighton, East Sussex

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RE: Single males

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Why should that matter, Tcotta. If there are not enough women who can take their clothes off without feeling sexually embarrassed that is not the fault of genuinely non-sexual single males. All that means is that those females are not truly naturist. Nudism is about body freedom. Not sex! Therefore what is between the legs is irrelevant. Except to the perverts who run the sun clubs I described.
When those who run nudism stop distinguishing between male and female, that is the day nudism stops being a sexual activity. And not before!

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WillGolden Barefoot Joined: 12/14/2008 Location: Brighton, East Sussex 35 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago Alf Martinez Ok! You are right, you know the answer where everyone else failed! You go out and find me a girlfriend who will have a relationship with a male who was born with no genitalia! Of course! It`s dead simple, isn`t it! Don`t you agree, Alf?

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WillGolden

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Joined: 12/14/2008

Location: Brighton, East Sussex

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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Alf Martinez
Ok! You are right, you know the answer where everyone else failed!
You go out and find me a girlfriend who will have a relationship with a male who was born with no genitalia!
Of course! It`s dead simple, isn`t it! Don`t you agree, Alf?

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Swifthawk Super Nudist Joined: 09/28/2008 Location: Calgary, AB 870 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago The attitued of couples only has always bothered me. They are essentially painting all men as sexual deviants when in reality it is a few who are and not the many. I understand the problems that clubs have had in the past, but deal with it on an individual basis. If you have a person causing problems, kick them out and if they won`t go, call the cops. Part of nudism is about acceptance, which is fantastic, but nudists do not practice it. Obviously that`s the case since single men are discriminated against on a daily basis and when we have the balls to complain about it we are told to get a girlfriend? Well I`ve got a wife and she wouldn`t take one step into a nudist resort because she`s not a nudist. So what am I supposed to do? Find some nudist woman who I dont` even know to go with? Like that`s going to happen. I guess I could find a guy friend to go with, but wait, a couple in most places isn`t two men, it has to be a man and a woman. So again, I`m screwed and I hate getting screwed and not enjoying it. In the end, if I want to enjoy nudism in a social setting I will have to start a resort of my own, becuase it`s painfully obvious to me that the nudist movement does not give a rats-ass about single men. Unfortuantely for me I do not have the finances to do so, which is really sad because I would make a mint I`m sure. Which boggles my mind even more, as the VAST majority of nudists out there are single men! You would think somebody would pick up on that big cash cow, because if single men knew there was a place they could go they would show up in droves. These are my thoughts, not yours, I`m SwiiiiiiiftHAWK! May the good news be yours!

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Swifthawk

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Location: Calgary, AB

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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The attitued of couples only has always bothered me. They are essentially painting all men as sexual deviants when in reality it is a few who are and not the many. I understand the problems that clubs have had in the past, but deal with it on an individual basis. If you have a person causing problems, kick them out and if they won`t go, call the cops.

Part of nudism is about acceptance, which is fantastic, but nudists do not practice it. Obviously that`s the case since single men are discriminated against on a daily basis and when we have the balls to complain about it we are told to get a girlfriend? Well I`ve got a wife and she wouldn`t take one step into a nudist resort because she`s not a nudist. So what am I supposed to do? Find some nudist woman who I dont` even know to go with? Like that`s going to happen. I guess I could find a guy friend to go with, but wait, a couple in most places isn`t two men, it has to be a man and a woman. So again, I`m screwed and I hate getting screwed and not enjoying it.

In the end, if I want to enjoy nudism in a social setting I will have to start a resort of my own, becuase it`s painfully obvious to me that the nudist movement does not give a rats-ass about single men. Unfortuantely for me I do not have the finances to do so, which is really sad because I would make a mint I`m sure. Which boggles my mind even more, as the VAST majority of nudists out there are single men! You would think somebody would pick up on that big cash cow, because if single men knew there was a place they could go they would show up in droves.

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i2gobare Barefoot Joined: 11/21/2008 Location: Jackson, New Jersey 34 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago I also believe it is not fair.... chances are that a single woman could also be a preditor, but allowed into most nudist clubs and resorts.... What about us single women who would like to meet single men... if even to talk to or perhaps strike up a friendship with another single person. It`s known that the numbers are out of balance when it comes to nudist men and women... hopefully with the help of you men, that will change..... Even on the beach I hear the comments from time to time that are inappropriate, perhaps people, women in particular would be more willing if there were less judgement regarding the body. And on the same token, no one likes to feel like a piece of meat when trying to relax in a natural setting.... If you are one of those that does not subscribe to the above, you are not included in my comments.... If on the other hand the shoe fits... well then think about what I have said..... please.....

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i2gobare

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Joined: 11/21/2008

Location: Jackson, New Jersey

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I also believe it is not fair.... chances are that a single woman could also be a preditor, but allowed into most nudist clubs and resorts.... What about us single women who would like to meet single men... if even to talk to or perhaps strike up a friendship with another single person. It`s known that the numbers are out of balance when it comes to nudist men and women... hopefully with the help of you men, that will change..... Even on the beach I hear the comments from time to time that are inappropriate, perhaps people, women in particular would be more willing if there were less judgement regarding the body. And on the same token, no one likes to feel like a piece of meat when trying to relax in a natural setting.... If you are one of those that does not subscribe to the above, you are not included in my comments.... If on the other hand the shoe fits... well then think about what I have said..... please.....

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solomon75 Barefoot Joined: 08/06/2009 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina 14 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago Willy, I agree with you. As a single man, I`m very much aware of the "seperate but equal" treatment. If nudism is all about people accepting each other for who they are in a sexless environment, then such distinctions between male and female would be antithetical to that ideal. That notwithstanding, there are a few flaws in your reasoning, at least as I understand it. First, you assert the only difference between men & women is their respective genetalia. There`s a bit more to it than that. Hormonal differences alone account for wildly disperate behavior. There are also differences in brain structure and thought patterns. My only point here is that if you remove only the genitals from the equation (figuratively speaking, of course), there would still be a substantial difference between the sexes. You are, however, absolutely right when you say that such differences aren`t suffecient basis for discrimination. Second, I don`t see it as victimization. That word is thrown around so much nowadays that it has effectively lost all meaning. Receiving unfair treatment from an ignorant administrator does not a victim make. Now, if you were a paid member in good standing and still denied access, that would likely fall in the victim category. But I don`t think getting snubbed qualifies. Again, I agree with you in principle, and the administrators in question are undeniably wrong, but don`t you think "victim" is a bit much? If I misunderstood your arguement, let me know. This issue is near and dear to my heart. We need more discussion on this issue. A lot more.

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solomon75

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Joined: 08/06/2009

Location: Gastonia, North Carolina

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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Willy, I agree with you. As a single man, I`m very much aware of the
"seperate but equal" treatment. If nudism is all about people accepting
each other for who they are in a sexless environment, then such
distinctions between male and female would be antithetical to that
ideal. That notwithstanding, there are a few flaws in your reasoning,
at least as I understand it.
First, you assert the only
difference between men & women is their respective genetalia.
There`s a bit more to it than that. Hormonal differences alone account
for wildly disperate behavior. There are also differences in brain
structure and thought patterns. My only point here is that if you
remove only the genitals from the equation (figuratively
speaking, of course), there would still be a substantial difference
between the sexes. You are, however, absolutely right when you say that
such differences aren`t suffecient basis for discrimination.
Second,
I don`t see it as victimization. That word is thrown around so much
nowadays that it has effectively lost all meaning. Receiving unfair
treatment from an ignorant administrator does not a victim make. Now,
if you were a paid member in good standing and still denied access,
that would likely fall in the victim category. But I don`t think
getting snubbed qualifies. Again, I agree with you in principle, and
the administrators in question are undeniably wrong, but don`t you
think "victim" is a bit much?
If I misunderstood your arguement,
let me know. This issue is near and dear to my heart. We need more
discussion on this issue. A lot more.

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WillGolden Barefoot Joined: 12/14/2008 Location: Brighton, East Sussex 35 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago EDITED BY THE AUTHOR - SECOND PART NOT RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC Solomon, Actually, yes, I AM a victim possibly where many others may not be, but that is not my point. My personal battle is not something of interest to readers of this topic, so I will message you privately on that. Your point about male and female thought patterns being diverse is generalistic. There is far more diversity between an alpha male and a passive male, than between the latter and the "average" female, I assure you. Furthermore, there are no two males the same. The only thing most males have in common is competitive, territorial, testosterone-driven aggression. Even then, the obsessive male dominion does vary greatly from one to the other. Personally I feel intimidated by this and, given the unenviable choice, would much prefer to join a gaggle of clucking women, lol! (Oops; that almost seems an argument against allowing men into the fold.) But if males are all we have, then, if nudism is tolerant and accepting (which is clearly a lie to boost the ego of those who hog the lights in nudism), they should be treated as the individuals they are, not as generalised males; this should apply equally to each female. I ask the clubs, if the situation arose where NO females whatsoever applied for membership, would they therefore ban ALL males, keeping the gender balance to NIL EACH, and therefore wind up their nudist club and go out of business? It is the logical progression of their stance.

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WillGolden

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Joined: 12/14/2008

Location: Brighton, East Sussex

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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EDITED BY THE AUTHOR - SECOND PART NOT RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC

Solomon,
Actually, yes, I AM a victim possibly where many others may not be, but that is not my point. My personal battle is not something of interest to readers of this topic, so I will message you privately on that.
Your point about male and female thought patterns being diverse is generalistic.
There is far more diversity between an alpha male and a passive male, than between the latter and the "average" female, I assure you. Furthermore, there are no two males the same. The only thing most males have in common is competitive, territorial, testosterone-driven aggression. Even then, the obsessive male dominion does vary greatly from one to the other. Personally I feel intimidated by this and, given the unenviable choice, would much prefer to join a gaggle of clucking women, lol! (Oops; that almost seems an argument against allowing men into the fold.) But if males are all we have, then, if nudism is tolerant and accepting (which is clearly a lie to boost the ego of those who hog the lights in nudism), they should be treated as the individuals they are, not as generalised males; this should apply equally to each female.
I ask the clubs, if the situation arose where NO females whatsoever applied for membership, would they therefore ban ALL males, keeping the gender balance to NIL EACH, and therefore wind up their nudist club and go out of business? It is the logical progression of their stance.

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txag_1975

Super Nudist

Joined: 08/28/2008

Location: Somerville, Texas

568 posts

RE: Single males

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I was at Baker Beach a nude Beach in San Francisco last week (midweek). There were about 50 males there, maybe 20 nude and 30 in swimsuit, shorts, or clothes. There were 3 nude females (me being one) and maybe another 3 or 4 females with bathing suits on.

If nudist resorts booked all men that called, they would be just like Baker Beach.

MC

My experience is far different. I go to a clothing optional beach, Hippie Hollow on Lake Travis near Autin TX, and on normal weekend there will be between 200 and 300 people there. There are normally 75-100 females there and some are single and some are with significant other. I have never seen more than 10 clothed people there, almost everyone goes there to be nude. I have seen someone who wasn`t nude when they first came with nude friend strip off by the end of the day because of the friendly non judgemental people they met there.
I have not been to a resort yet because I have heard so much about the discrimination I have not tried one. The worst case of discrimination I have seen is a resort that advertises that they are couples only say they do allow single females. Another thing a lot of them do is have fees that are the same for a single person as for a SAME SEX couple.
Thomas

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txag_1975

Super Nudist

Joined: 08/28/2008

Location: Somerville, Texas

568 posts

RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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The attitued of couples only has always bothered me. They are essentially painting all men as sexual deviants when in reality it is a few who are and not the many. I understand the problems that clubs have had in the past, but deal with it on an individual basis. If you have a person causing problems, kick them out and if they won`t go, call the cops.

Part of nudism is about acceptance, which is fantastic, but nudists do not practice it. Obviously that`s the case since single men are discriminated against on a daily basis and when we have the balls to complain about it we are told to get a girlfriend? Well I`ve got a wife and she wouldn`t take one step into a nudist resort because she`s not a nudist. So what am I supposed to do? Find some nudist woman who I dont` even know to go with? Like that`s going to happen. I guess I could find a guy friend to go with, but wait, a couple in most places isn`t two men, it has to be a man and a woman. So again, I`m screwed and I hate getting screwed and not enjoying it.

In the end, if I want to enjoy nudism in a social setting I will have to start a resort of my own, becuase it`s painfully obvious to me that the nudist movement does not give a rats-ass about single men. Unfortuantely for me I do not have the finances to do so, which is really sad because I would make a mint I`m sure. Which boggles my mind even more, as the VAST majority of nudists out there are single men! You would think somebody would pick up on that big cash cow, because if single men knew there was a place they could go they would show up in droves.

Another great post swifty. I too have felt there was a conflict between the acceptance of nudism and the discrimination I have seen. My interest in starting my own resort has even gone to the point of looking at some land for sale in what would be a prime location, midway between a college town and a popular lake. Unfortunatlely I don`t have the finances to do so either. If I ever did, you would have a free pass and I would even find a friend to take your wife shopping. LOL

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pauljz Textile Joined: 08/02/2009 Location: MILFORD , Massachusetts 1 posts	RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion! 4 months ago Tell me where you can find a single girl who is into nudism in a nudist park. SIngle women in nudist camps dont exist.

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pauljz

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Joined: 08/02/2009

Location: MILFORD , Massachusetts

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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Tell me where you can find a single girl who is into nudism in a nudist park. SIngle women in nudist camps dont exist.

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RabbitnBunny

Butt Naked

Joined: 04/16/2009

Location: Redneck Hell, California

419 posts

RE: Single males

4 months ago

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I was at Baker Beach a nude Beach in San Francisco last week (midweek). There were about 50 males there, maybe 20 nude and 30 in swimsuit, shorts, or clothes. There were 3 nude females (me being one) and maybe another 3 or 4 females with bathing suits on.

If nudist resorts booked all men that called, they would be just like Baker Beach.

MC

Perhaps you need to know more about Baker Beach. Because it is in San Francisco, it draws a large gay population. San Francisco has one of those you know. A large gay population. So it stands to reason that the only nude beach IN San Francisco would be predominantly male.

However, almost all nude beaches have more men than women. This is not something men can really do anything about. It`s up to the female nudists to get out on the beaches, and introduce their friends to the concept.

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RabbitnBunny

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Joined: 04/16/2009

Location: Redneck Hell, California

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RE: Not just clubs.

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I would like to point out that it is not just clubs that will not allow single males. There are a number of profiles on this site that say couples or females only can be our friend. I think it is the members of the clubs that help make club policy.
Sunlover

It`s one thing to discriminate against single males at resorts. It`s quite another to protect one`s self online from the fakes and pic collectors. At a resort, they get ID, and pretty much confirm who a person is. In here, we get 20-30 friend requests a week from guys, 90% of whom we`ve never talked to in chat, never sent us a message, and who have given us nothing to go on. Most can`t give me a hint of bonafides.

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RabbitnBunny

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Location: Redneck Hell, California

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RE: Single Males, the victims of perversion!

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My interest in starting my own resort has even gone to the point of looking at some land for sale in what would be a prime location, midway between a college town and a popular lake. Unfortunatlely I don`t have the finances to do so either. If I ever did, you would have a free pass and I would even find a friend to take your wife shopping. LOL

How about starting a simple nudist campground to begin with? Make it a "rough" campground to begin with, just provide water and portapotties.

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