"like being a militant gay activist"...oh wow...amazing how freely people express their bigotry. As some one who grew up nude, I never learned to care about someones orientation. Nudism for me was not about asking people if they are gay or str8 or anything. People are free to be themselves and that includes being a "militant gay activist" because without them people would never have gained the human rights they now have. Nudism is all about freedom and not bigotry. Please consider what you are going to post and how hurtful your words can be to others. There is nothing wrong with being gay, bi, str8, trans, queer, or asexual etc. Everyone is free to be themselves and express themselves as they wish. I would hope people would have the freedom from such needless posts attacking gay people who are also here on this forum. Nudists exist in every category...let us respect that.
Gay guy here. My question is... why do some men say they are straight or N/A on thier profile on this site but on the trueswingers site the same guys will say they are bicurious? And join a lot of the gay groups?
I can only guess by relating personal experience. Ive been a member of a masturbation chat site for years. At first, I flagged myself as straight because that was my primary attraction, and I think that the straight, bi/bi-curious, and gay labels dont adequately describe human sexuality. After years of making the tiresome explanation in that chat of how I could be straight but still enjoy activity with other guys, I realized that even if theyre inadequate, those labels serve a purpose in such online forums. So, the label I apply to myself is contextual, and Id guess that its similar for some of them: they list their primary (or at least public) attraction here on the non-sexual site, using another on the sexual site to show what theyre open to.
Why so many?
I think most people equate male nudity with sex. So, the first thought of seeing a couple of guys naked is "gay". Many guys would avoid that situation so they aren't judged. If you are not interested in sex, what difference does one's personal choices make?
I have my bed partner.
My nudist buddies are straight and gay. Younger and older. In shape and not quite so in shape. Pale, dark and many shades in between. They are all open to accepting people for who they are. They're all fun, ready for outdoor adventure and most importantly, respectful.
One can be a nudist and maintain boundaries.
I made a post earlier about how the site works better for gays because the dynamic of straight guys driving women off the site doesn't affect us much. A friend wrote, taking that as a criticism of straight male nudists. I certainly don't mean that. But I see posts from women reporting being swamped with overtures. Most of the people on this site aren't really nudists, after all, except in front of the bathroom mirror and the computer screen, and there are a LOT of them. Which does drive the women away. Which does mean that straight men, who may be used to the company of women in real life, find themselves in a very male environment here, which some guys might be fine with and others find unrewarding. For gays, the whole solicitation thing doesn't have the same radical asymmetry, so we're less likely than women to get creeped right off the site, and more likely than straight men to make social and personal connections. So there are lots of on here, which is the thread topic.
There's a broader social problem, not limited to nudism, that male sexuality is seen as inherently toxic and wrong somehow, and males thus inherently suspect. The NO SINGLE MEN thing is part of that, and a real shame.
Very interesting perspective, SteveInKona. I actually had another hypothesis, but mine actually makes more sense in combination with yours!
I always figured that somehow, men seem more comfortable with being (publicly) nude than women in general, possibly because of the creepiness/solicitation issues you mentioned. Of these men with nudist tendencies, the straight ones tend to encounter a few more road blocks than the gay ones, thus causing the gay ones to be comparatively overrepresented. For instance, I could imagine that there are many partnered straight men out there of whom the partner is not interested in nudism (e.g., for the aforementioned reason) and as such "block" them from living their nudist life. Furthermore, I think that quite a few of the remaining straight men who love being nude still could have a hang-up or two about being naked around other people, and in particular men, for various reasons.
First, some straight men just feel weird about being naked around other men and are basically grossed out by another man's nudity (I guess these are the men who cannot separate nudity from sex). Second, some men may feel like it's gay or that they could be perceived as gay if they hangout naked with other men (again, the root cause of this is the inability to separate nudity from sex). Third, some straight or closeted gay men are repulsed by or at least uncomfortable with the idea of gay men possibly eyeing them up (again, this has to do with a more sexual view on nudity).
For gay men, these reasons are simply not applicable, or even a pro rather than a con. Moreover, any gay person has had to go through a phase of self acceptance, with coming to terms with who they are as a person. This, in my opinion, is one of the prerequisites for any person to be able to bare it all and show the world: "here I am, this is me".
Ich glaube das es gar nicht soooo viele sind. Sondern sie sind nur offener mit der Ansprache von Fremden, die sie Kontaktieren.
Nein ich bin nicht schwul oder stehe auf Mnner.
I don't think there are that many. They are just more open to addressing strangers they contact.
No, I'm not gay or into men.
In response to the gay guy question earlier in the thread...I have a very young friend on TN who almost shut down his profile because he was accused of being gay, which he isn't. Being naked with another naked guy should not be perceived as being gay. Up until the early 1980s this long accepted practice swung in the opposite direction plus the advent of internet porn did not help either.
Furthermore, I think that quite a few of the remaining straight men who love being nude still could have a hang-up or two about being naked around other people, and in particular men, for various reasons.First, some straight men just feel weird about being naked around other men and are basically grossed out by another man's nudity (I guess these are the men who cannot separate nudity from sex). Second, some men may feel like it's gay or that they could be perceived as gay if they hangout naked with other men (again, the root cause of this is the inability to separate nudity from sex). Third, some straight or closeted gay men are repulsed by or at least uncomfortable with the idea of gay men possibly eyeing them up (again, this has to do with a more sexual view on nudity).
Sometime around 1979, near the beginning of the movement away from comfort with male-male nudity, I went to a an employee party at a private home with a sauna; at one point the host and hostess invited anyone who cared to, to join the host in the sauna. A group of maybe six of us, all men, went. I undressed - at that date the universal expectation for sauna - as did the host. Most of the rest did not. And as we settled in , one of the guys joked "Now we know who the gay guys are." He probably had no idea anyone in the group was actually gay, and I was likely the only gay one. But the comment hit me like a thunderclap, even though it wasn't directed at me in any personal way, because it showed me the world was changing. The idea that male-male nudity was a gay thing was brand new - I'd never been exposed to it before. It's certainly very limiting.
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