57 Pages and 90% Male
This is difficult for me to post; but with the group being called normalising nudity, on joining I thought there would be a much more diverse membership.
Like all groups here on TN, unless specifically for women or other minority there is great 'centricity' around men who are aged over 50 and of Western European ethnicity. I keep asking myself, even though I am part of this centricity, why is this so?
Oddly, or perhaps not so, when I ask my wife to participate in the joy that nude life brings, she declines stating she feels uneasy and vulnerable with so many men participating...
I live in a State of Australia where there are no legal nude beaches and public nudity is hugely illegal....the opposition to any change is articulated by many here and usually contains a line about 'creepy old men'.
So how do we normalise this lifestyle if its dominated by a single demographic with certain connotations - further how doe we get more women, young people, other ethnic groups etc etc to join?
I for one find real-life nudism different from this site. In real life, I find much more diversity and a much better balance between men and women (in "safe" clothing optional locations). On several occasions, I have been in situations where nudist women outnumber men. However, I do have to say, the most committed nudist do fit the 50+ male demographic. We seem to be the ones that are least modest. As for this site, it is toxic for women in part because of non-nudist sexual predators. These are men who have the opinion that any woman who likes to take off her clothes is a slut and is open for sexual conversation or maybe even a hookup. There are few safeguards for keeping these people off this site. Out of the many obstacles to Normalizing Nudity, sexual objectification of women is one of the most confounding. Until nudist women are treated with respect open nudism will always be a utopian dream. My opinion.
I for one find real-life nudism different from this site.
Like I've often said, TN (as well as many other nudist forums) is not representative of the "real" nudist world.
Let's imagine for a second a resort that would be like TN. 90% would be men; and out of that number 50% would be gay (no offense against our gay nudist friends), and another 40% would be hetero males there without their wives. Some of the guys would be walking around with an erection. The 2 or 3 women there would be surrounded by men asking them about their grooming habits or whether their penis was "nice enough to look at."
It would be a nightmare sausage-fest scenario.
At my resort the ratio is about 40/60 (female to male). Some single males, but mostly couples. Nearly everyone is nude or "close enough." Nudity is appreciated; but not to the point where anyone feels objectified (because the "penalty" for gawking might be expulsion). On the rare occasion where an erection is seen, it is rather innocuous as the "erect" individual is discreet about it. Conversations about "grooming habits" or "size" are conducted quietly between friends; if at all because I've rarely ever heard it.
I've tried to "keep it real" here at TN; but sometimes it feels no one really cares. "Spicy" discussions are valued over "real-life" depictions of nudist living. And without strict moderation; this is unlikely to change any time soon.Until nudist women are treated with respect open nudism will always be a utopian dream.
and in the "real" nudist world, they usually are. My wife has not had a single bad experience at nudist resorts (the nude beach is a different story). And as a result she has no problem being naked at the resort and socializing nude. But if she was to come here to TN, she would probably be flabbergasted and turned off. For most women, the path to social nudity will not be through a nudist forum; but with the attention and care of their partner, and seeing other nudist women - in person - being comfortable with social nudity.I can simply see the symptoms and general outlines of the problem, not the prognosis or a treatment plan.
Same here. TN would have to be completely reinvented for that to change.
I like this imaginary TN resort, but there are a few groups missing.Let's imagine for a second a resort that would be like TN. 90% would be men; and out of that number 50% would be gay (no offense against our gay nudist friends), and another 40% would be hetero males there without their wives. Some of the guys would be walking around with an erection. The 2 or 3 women there would be surrounded by men asking them about their grooming habits or whether their penis was "nice enough to look at.".
There would be a large contingent of clothed voyeurs that would shout rude sexual comments from the trees. Then there would be the scammers and hookers. It would be hard for the scammers, however. It is hard for a man to pass as a woman at a nude resort, or for the majority of new women members to look like models.
A good topic and some really good responses. When I first started going to CO beaches in the 1980's it was maybe 60/40 men to women, maybe 70/30, but there were plenty of women going, generally two or three together not many on their own, I think for obvious reasons. Now it is 90/10 or worse but the number of nudists have reduced enormously anyway at the CO beaches. In the last few years I've witnessed a few occasions were a single woman was in the CO part, topless and on her own and a guy purposely walked past, around and relocated to be closer to her. I've seen older guys do that when a group of younger women have been at the beach, maybe trying nudity for the first time, and they get harassed / annoyed by men, who are on their own and usually older. Why?
It seems something similar happens with women on this site from the comments above, again, why? Why do men need to do this? I'm in the 50+ bracket that is referenced at the start of this topic, I'm now on my own after my wife lost her cancer battle, and I still go to the beach but I don't understand why some men in my demographic do this. If they want to perv, they should go to a porn site, they will see more. If they want to be seen, most people have seen porn sites, so it has all been seen, you won't be that different. Do they think they can have sex with these women?
I don't know what it is with men my own age whose behaviour causes these issues. I have not been to any CO or nude resorts, we were planning that as our kids are adults, all doing their own thing in life, but cancer took my wife one year ago. She used to enjoy our private yard with me and pre-kids came to CO beaches with me, (generally kept her bikini bottom on, she was taking her time) so the resorts are not an option for me it seems. Maybe we all need to continue to educate others we meet and push for better behaviour here and at the beach.
I for one find real-life nudism different from this site.Like I've often said, TN (as well as many other nudist forums) is not representative of the "real" nudist world.Let's imagine for a second a resort that would be like TN. 90% would be men; and out of that number 50% would be gay (no offense against our gay nudist friends), and another 40% would be hetero males there without their wives. Some of the guys would be walking around with an erection. The 2 or 3 women there would be surrounded by men asking them about their grooming habits or whether their penis was "nice enough to look at."It would be a nightmare sausage-fest scenario.At my resort the ratio is about 40/60 (female to male). Some single males, but mostly couples. Nearly everyone is nude or "close enough." Nudity is appreciated; but not to the point where anyone feels objectified (because the "penalty" for gawking might be expulsion). On the rare occasion where an erection is seen, it is rather innocuous as the "erect" individual is discreet about it. Conversations about "grooming habits" or "size" are conducted quietly between friends; if at all because I've rarely ever heard it.I've tried to "keep it real" here at TN; but sometimes it feels no one really cares. "Spicy" discussions are valued over "real-life" depictions of nudist living. And without strict moderation; this is unlikely to change any time soon.Until nudist women are treated with respect open nudism will always be a utopian dream.and in the "real" nudist world, they usually are. My wife has not had a single bad experience at nudist resorts (the nude beach is a different story). And as a result she has no problem being naked at the resort and socializing nude. But if she was to come here to TN, she would probably be flabbergasted and turned off. For most women, the path to social nudity will not be through a nudist forum; but with the attention and care of their partner, and seeing other nudist women - in person - being comfortable with social nudity.I can simply see the symptoms and general outlines of the problem, not the prognosis or a treatment plan.Same here. TN would have to be completely reinvented for that to change.
Truthfully and articulately stated!
One of the biggest reasons my wife will not ever partake in a nudist/naturist site is that many of them are not moderated enough. For a nudist couple that have been living this way for almost 49 years and social nudist for 30 years, we can tell you that TN is not a true depiction of what real nudism/naturism is. We are happy with our club and their rules for entry and membership. Our club sets quotas and no married men visiting alone unless your wife is also a member or has visited with you and signed his membership papers stating she is not only aware but is supportive of it. If it upsets some single males here, all I can say is that my wife and her comfort is a priority. If she feels uncomfortable with a situation or an environment, she'll stop participating away from home and that's not what I want or she wants.
I've caught heat and read disgruntled posts about my strict rules to join my groups, groups that I hope, depict real everyday life as a nudist. When I see someone that wants to join my groups and their profile shows that they have joined groups that more of a sexual nature and discussions, I can pretty much be assured that's where their head's at with regards to being naked and what nudity, in general, means to them. There's so much more to our lives as nudists than just being naked but many more males than females here tend to gravitate to the sexual parts of being naked and that's what really turns most female nudists off.
My wife has always said, "if you want to meet someone from the internet, go ahead and do so and you get a feel for where their head is with nudism. If they want to meet, we meet at a nudist resort or club, and they need to bring their so-called participating wife/girlfriend with them or the meet is off." Those are her rules and I support them. The ratio of males to females on this site is not any different than on other sites. Only difference is that some of the other sites do a much better job of screening members and moderating topics of discussion. When a problem child is noticed or reported, they are booted. Doesn't happen enough here and that's not happens in the real world of social nudism.
Normalizing nudity has always been an uphill battle. It seems to be growing more difficult recently. Casual nudity is becoming less prevalent, especially among males due to private stalls in locker rooms, cancellation of nude swimming, etc. The increased sexualization of the body is not a good omen. On the other hand there are some positive signs, such as the Christian groups fighting pornography through nudism.
My wife has always said, "if you want to meet someone from the internet, go ahead and do so and you get a feel for where their head is with nudism. If they want to meet, we meet at a nudist resort or club, and they need to bring their so-called participating wife/girlfriend with them or the meet is off." Those are her rules and I support them.
Very similar to one experience I had meeting someone online.
During my first marriage I was much more active in chatrooms; and I met and befriended a gentleman there. We agreed to meet, and he was looking forward to meeting my wife too. She pretty much laid out the same conditions. So he and I agreed to meet at a non-landed club.
When I got back I reported to my wife that he was actually a very nice guy. But she would only agree to meet him if she could also meet his GF. We confirmed a date and all agreed.
When we arrived he announced to me that he wasn't sure his GF was going to make it that day after all; so my wife, feeling that she might have gotten "duped", decided to keep on her sarong to meet him. Luckily his GF did arrive later that day (he might have called her and begged her to show up lol!); and she immediately befriended my wife after being introduced to her. The GF was clearly comfortable socializing nude; so at that point my wife determined they were genuine nudists with no "hidden agenda."
There was one more step for my wife to agree to calling them "friends", so we agreed to all meet at a nudist resort. The idea was for the four of us to spend the entire day there together; and since she had worn her sarong on our first meeting, also for my wife to see what dynamic would occur when interacting while being completely naked in front of them. By the end of the day my wife agreed that she was totally comfortable being naked in front of them and enjoyed their company; and that the "dynamic" had been nothing but enjoyable. So they earned the title "friends."
Anyway, just an anecdote about meeting people online. The wife's comfort is the primary concern; so all these "steps" can be necessary to achieve it.
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