Nudeyooper said:You make a good point. I personally do not care if I am the only nude among the clothed, though I have not had that experience very often. Should others want to join me at being clothes free, that's fine too. One thing that must be taken into consideration is that if a place that allows nudity among the clothed becomes more popular with the clothed, the freedom to be nude might just be taken away.On the flip side, if textiles get more used to seeing nudists and realize the nudity is not causing people to go blind or whatever, its possible that nudity might start being allowed on more places.
One example I read on another forum, but not about a clothing optional resort.
Several male college students rented a large house together. On moving day, one of the men brought in his stuff and stripped nude before he even started unpacking, He remained nude until he had to leave the next day and got nude again as soon as he returned, Within a few days, all the men in the house had abandoned all clothing at home and spend the rest of the academic year nude whenever they were home.
The difference here is that one was a private home and the other places that have been closed were public beaches. I most definitely can go either way. Caution and eagle eyed observation are in order.
I haven't been to a nudist resort, but I've been to quite a few clothing-optional (i.e., nude) beaches, spas and hot springs resorts, all of which I prefer to enjoy nude. At first, the presence of clothed people in those settings confused me, but I quickly came to appreciate the way those places enable and prioritize nudity as an important but low-risk personal choice. It's one way that nudity is normalized for textiles who might not be quite ready to be nude themselves.
Why would someone stay clothed around nude people, when they could be clothed around other clothed people? So long as they're acting respectfully and appropriately and don't interfere with my choice to be nude, that's none of my business.
Sure, I'd enjoy it more if everyone were nude. But in an accepting, respectful environment, something less than 100% participation doesn't actually affect me.
I quickly came to appreciate the way those places enable and prioritize nudity as an important but low-risk personal choice. It's one way that nudity is normalized for textiles who might not be quite ready to be nude themselves.Why would someone stay clothed around nude people, when they could be clothed around other clothed people? So long as they're acting respectfully and appropriately and don't interfere with my choice to be nude, that's none of my business.Sure, I'd enjoy it more if everyone were nude. But in an accepting, respectful environment, something less than 100% participation doesn't actually affect me.
It would be great if resorts could create an environment where nudity is normalized in an accepting and respectful environment. By focusing on gender and enforcing that all penis holders must be escorted by a vagina holder in order to be let past the gates, resorts practicing gender discrimination don't offer an environment which could be described as normalized in any way. They need to focus on respect and behavior first and foremost.
Nudism is up to the individual's choice; individualism runs deep in the nudist community. If you want to wear something at a resort which is at its heart about the freedom of being bare, you can stay at your campsite or in your cabin or room the entire time you are at a nudist resort...and why exactly are you there?
If a new visitor needs time to transition from clothes to nude, our resort has designated areas where they can do so, or one weekend a year (open house) where they can wander around clothed all day and hopefully begin to understand why we full-timers are drawn to be socially nude. If that isn't enough, maybe they should have done more internal research before making the trip to a place where clothes are not permitted except for weather-related concerns.
The desire to be unclothed comes naturally to most everyone. Wanting to wear clothes is the unnatural state, often arriving around the time of puberty, with the desire to cover up the body parts - which are transitioning into adulthood because of hormonal shifts - overtaking the freedoms that being bare offers. We do lose some nudists forever during this transitional period, and that is unfortunate, but the individual is the decider. Parents and guardians can only do so much to encourage nudism with their charges once the child begins the change.
I have a very difficult time understanding what is gained by a nude resort shifting to clothing optional. Not giving people the option to cover up is important to me and I vote for nude every time. Clothing inevitably adds an aura of the provocative to an otherwise incredible feeling of freedom. When you begin to let people put on clothing around others who are undressed, the dressers will likely choose to adorn their bodies with something that accentuates those obscured parts. Lift those sagging breasts, cover that shrinking willy, tuck that shameful bulge behind some stretchy fabric. Does this dress make me look fat? You betcha!
What is lost when clothing is allowed is much more than a view of the now happily-hidden, physical body part. What is hidden hides more than the skin and hair under there. Nudity is the great equalizer. Having the option to put cloth over parts of the body gives the person some place to hide parts of themselves away from the world, the exact opposite of what nudism is about. The eyes of others are often drawn to adornments, that's why they are called that - a supposed beautification of what is the most beautiful thing we have. Clothes give the wearer a chance to make themselves into something they are not, something they wish we were instead of what they are at the core.
Clothes do NOT make the man, to misquote the saying. No clothes makes us free to be who we are, unabashedly out in the open, to hell with the rest! Buy a pretty towel and lay your bare body down on it and let everyone see everything. Leave your clothed, fake world outside the gate.
We've been nudists for 10+ years and have been on hundreds of trips to house parties/bowling/resorts/camps/beaches/cruises and I don't think we have been to a nudity required event even once. Doesn't make a difference to me. If it is warm enough for me to be comfortable, I will be nude 24/7 wherever and whenever it is allowed. Mrs. J&C dresses when we go hiking (the mosquitos can be pretty bad at our home camp), will wear a tee shirt if we are out in the sun too long and will usually wear a sarong to the dances, but otherwise she is also nude. My only preference is that the % of clothed people doesn't get high enough to pressure Mrs. J&C into getting dressed. Thankfully, at our home camp even when people are dressed it is usually, as the French on Ile du Levant say, "Le Minimum" unless it is cold out. A pareo for the women and maybe a pair of shorts for the men. And the percentage stays low.
At my nudist club nudity is required only around the pool and jacuzzi. The intent here is to prevent non-nudists who only want to ogle nude folks from joining the club. Curiously, the tennis program is very active as well as pickleball, but about half the players wear some clothes, some wear both t-shirt and shorts. I always play naked unless its too cool or the sun is dangerously strong. I dont understand my fellow players decision to use textiles.
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