RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

I do see the point of "coming out of the nudist closet" to help demystify nudism to the uninformed or frightened. The parallels with gay liberation are relevant. But it is easy to overlook the carnage that accompanied the movement toward equal rights for gay oeople. Lots of people lost jobs and friends, were (and still are) disowned by families, or physically harmed. I can certainly understand why many oeople don't have bumper stickers promoting their nudist credentials.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

Being LDS and having been raised in a house where you're never nude unless under VERY certain situations, and where NO ONE is to see your genitals gave me a very warped perspective. I came to associate nudity with sex and had a lot of problems with erections. My family taught me a lot of shame and I did not take the time to research why I felt so guilty about being nude. I spent 36 years feeling the need to be naked, but was convinced that it was against church teachings. It wasn't until I followed what is taught about educating ourselves that I understood that simple non-sexual nudity is okay. My father knows about my naturism/nudism because my parents asked for details about a campout I went to last August. I waited until I got him alone and told him. He stated that he would NEVER support or participate, but understood and agreed with what I was trying teach myself. He also asked me to keep this information from my mother.

The point that I am trying to make is that no one can change someone else. And you can not attack someone to make them see your point of view. Using 'dogma' as a means of getting your view across is only going to make people close down and reject what your saying. I would offer to calmly present what you're trying to get across.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

Now this is a valid point using dogma rarely works

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The mentioning of the bumper sticker prompted me to write.

Why not a bumper sticker or window decal?

I have been toying with the idea to put one on each of my trucks.

There is a cute little cartoon sticker that says " Life is short, play naked"!
The thought is that it is an attention getter in a humorous way. Others may see it and make a positive comment. It may be another way to stir conversation with those that would not bring up the subject.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

I have that little naked man carton looking figure on the back of my truck and rv that says, "Life's Short , Camp Naked" I love it and I know it gets some looks - especially from certain groups! When I say looks, I mean approving AND disapproving.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

I have that little naked man carton looking figure on the back of my truck and rv that says, "Life's , Camp Naked" I love it and I know it gets some looks - especially from certain groups! When I say looks, I mean approving AND disapproving.

Not as descriptive, but even a simple AANR bumper sticker has produced some interesting conversations and inquiries for me - most of which were good. There were a few "ohhhhh's . . . . " Not often enough, but when I see an AANR bumper sticker or similar, I smile to myself and the very few times I have seen the car's driver - a thumb's up! It's always nice to see/meet other nudists.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

The ire against nudity is rather complex, but I think from my observation I can narrow down the root of the hostility to two particular cultural patterns.

One is the prevalent, persistent perception that nudity is somehow harmful to children and impacts or impairs their lives when they grow up. Thats the specific basis behind some of the more aggressive opposition to nudity and the driver behind some of the more frivolous forms of censorship in pop culture and media, and the underlying motive behind some authoritative laws in America.

The second issue is society and culture growing ever more obsessed with sex and the equivalence society keeps attaching to it. Theres too much focus on the act and too many who are pressing to make it more and more of a monopoly in our lives. The more people attach unrelated things to sex, the harder it becomes to realistically use those things as they were intended without resistance from ignorant masses. This has also resulted in an arguably worse, impulsive reaction from conservatives who choose not to examine the finer points and instead opt to sterilize and dehumanize the very things that play a role in our lives instead.

The latter of these two issues is far harder to address and ultimately cant truly be resolved. It will just have to boil down to whether society comes to grips with the reality of False Equivalence. The other issue however, can be resolved, and should be for the sake of children and families everywhere. If were to create the biggest strides in acceptance for Nudism, it needs to start by breaking the myth that nudity is harmful to children. Contrary to the myth, normal, non invasive, neutral nudity within the workings of family life is beneficial to children while a harsher, more authoritative shunning of it within the household is showing to be significantly harmful to children according to emerging studies and research. Without dragging this post out for too long, the bottom line is that society is more open to ideas that promote improvement in our families and our daily lives compared to trying to force it as some sort of reality they need to accept which is far less likely to succeed in the long run. By educating the public at large of the benefits and results of nudity within the family rather than focusing on the presumptuous myth of negative affects on children, it will become much easier to separate sex from it as a result and to promote it as a safe lifestyle as opposed to the suspicious or dangerous activity that many are falsely led to believe.

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That is a very well thought-out reply. I agree with your points, and have a little info to back up my support for your ideas.

I was raised a nudist. I mean from day 1. Now that I'm 40-something, I am quite successful in my field and have a pretty cool life. Little to no stress, tops in my field, and have a fantastic, blessed marriage. My wife and I waited until after our wedding night before we lost our virginity and are better off for it. Would we have waited if one or both of us was raised hiding our bodies with clothing? Probably not.

To your second point, I never understood the whole connection to nudity and sex. I suppose for those raised with body shame and hiding one's body, it's easy to make the connection. But, then why not associate nudist with showering instead?? I suppose there is some mind game that goes along with it while growing up in bodily oppression.

I often ask people, do you associate pencils with spelling errors? Do you associate spoons with obesity? Although, some people who have been raised in a liberal environment do associate guns with crime, etc. Those of us raised in a conservative environment will associate guns with sport or feeding the family instead. I suppose it all stems from the brainwashing applied from childhood. Same with body shame or clothing addiction.

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RE:How Do We Combat the Idea that Nudity is Wrong?

The how do we combat should be under 2 headings; first in our own immediate social lives, and second in the wider social world.

The first is easy; be yourself and surround that persona with like minded people. This will bring choices of who you spend time with and an evaluation of how essential it is to you to be naked with them if they do not approve. ie do you stay married to an anti naturist or live in a family of non nudists once you are of age to move out. Decisions with consequences obviously but that is down to your own strength of ethos. The point is it is in your control as long as you are willing to accept consequences.

The second; you have absolutely no control or options in the wider community, at any point you might come up against someone who will cause you problems for being nude. Even is you are only nude in naturist social situations the wider community you interact with may be a problem in your doing this.

I suppose this gives us a third heading, how do we change the world.

That is simple, we get rid of religion (like it or not nudity is not encouraged by the majority of religious people, read the word majority here please). Then we get rid of erection fear, the denial that we are biological machines and have physical reactions. This disregards that the negatives that erections create are created by the mind not the body, ie what the owner does with it (plenty of links to sin here). Then we get rid of children's bodies fears, they are bodies can be beautiful they can be seen and looked at, they are not sexual pleasure things but can be interesting to see how we all develop. The fear is that anyone who looks is an abuser with sexual inclination, that has created a culture of hiding and wrong in everyone's minds. It follows that we need to get rid of those who see sex with children in this. Once children are safe from predators without having to hide they will become body confident adults with healthy attitudes towards sex and bodies as adults. We need to get rid of marketing, fashion, media, celebrity status and the host of other inputs that clearly defines women. children makes etc as sexual you want me images. Alternatively (or in addition) we need to get rid of the belief in some that this imagery gives permission to abuse, exploit and act against others to gain sexual satisfaction or dominance or control (often religion abuse by creating sin to control again).

Lastly we need to accept we are animals in every way and that society rules are a very recent invention and we are struggling to adopt these and so open frank discussion on sex is needed, not more rules more closed minds and yet more i am a woman you can't think about me like that mentality. We can think about you like that, our minds are very strange places, primitive places. no amount of social expectation and rules, sin or any other attempt to control thoughts will ever change this process. What can be done though is to educate by example, by being open- fully. The present culture is to show sex is great and all consuming (which it can be) and is available with anyone you want regardless (which it isn't) that children have no sexuality (which they do as they reach puberty- not an age of consent specific age) and must be hidden in cotton wool and detached from the adult world by censorship, Disney and a host of make believe crap and then suddenly thrown into it at some county specified date (which they are not the WWW has ended this for ever, kids watch porn and look at naked images like it or not, the issue is they cannot talk to open adults about this due to marketing of the abuse factor and so are confused).

In short you are not going to change the world until you address a lot of things, both in your own mind and the wider society concept. This is going to be a very difficult thing for many to do as it relies on the wider society not abusing that openness, that is not going to happen. Would you allow your child to walk naked in the company of strangers to be the sacrificial lamb of peace, or risk your job by setting up a open social account of your nudity, or ask the girls on this site to go on cam naked to start the change and intelligently deal with the idiots who want to wank over them, ie change them by making female nudity so common the urge goes away, while accepting this will take time and so they will have to interact with them on some positive changing level? Or even state to textiles that we are human and not saints we do sometimes get aroused by someone we like naked, or do you fear that naturism will become even more criticised if we admit to being just the same as them but with less issues?

Your question is a good one but the answer isn't one you will like - we will never combat it until the majority buy into it. Even in the naturist community the openness required to make change is not there, one rule is replaced by another, SEX is the fear not the pleasure it should be, bodies are still selectively portrayed for fear of generating lust, threads are limited by narrow minded self served values. Nudity is not automatically sex no matter how attractive the person is everyone knows that, but until we get to the place where no one of any age or sex hides their body while still being able to healthily embrace their own sexual thoughts and acknowledging that others can think what they want (but not act without permission) naturism is not going to be widely adopted.

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