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I completely agree with you

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I agree, it is completely part of nudism to watch an be watched. In a non sexual way to me. As long as respect there is no harm. As from being a boy the human body fascinated me.

But it is clear, we are not the only ones, if we ever might doubt about that.

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Is it not part of being a social nudist is to be around and admire other nude bodies. It would be the same for the textile world as well. People go to the club and admire each other in their clothes so why would it be different for nudists. At the end as long as there is respect and if an "Urge" comes the go deal with it privately.

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In BDSM culture the idea of consent has had an expression where the rules are, the kinks dont get shared outside of a group of consenting audlts in a private, non advertised and membership controlled setting. What that means is that for leater enthusiasts, that is only shared and seen among those who have consented to it and are willing to uphold group norms. This is true for voyeurism and exhibition play too. So whether these people are textile nudist or nuns in their outside lives isnt an issue and its not brought into it. If the norms of the social group you belong to dont really allow for this or accept it (most of the world in the early years) then this makes it comfortable and ethically integral to have a fetish and be a nudist and not have the two intersect.

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I don't see any difference with looking at other individuals between been naked and wearing clothing. We do it all the time, though been nude is a bit more personal per say. There is also a difference to most between looking and staring and where you are doing it. It is totally different, in public places like the gym, sauna, nudist places that are open to the general public compared to a private club, where the rules are clearly stated and what is permitted and not, then you more liberal to act with other consenting adults. It is the same as been in a night club compared to a 'gentlemen's' club of what would be acceptable. Keeping to the acceptable rules is key to been a responsible individual doing the looking.

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Reading this thread reminded me of a television interview I watched many years ago where the nudist being interviewed said rather indignantly that a true nudist never looks at another person below their neck. Even as a pre-nudist I recognized how ridiculous that sounded and I still chuckle when I recall. But if true for that man, how sad. From my point of view any rich in-person interaction nude or clothed would acknowledge and appreciate body along with mind and spirit.

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I think it's very normal and natural -- especially among people who were not raised in nudist (or, at least open) households.I wanted to discuss a blurry line for myself with nudism and sexuality. Part of what I enjoy so much about being a nudist is being able to see other men naked. This is clearly voyeurism but isn't necessarily a sexual voyeurism, but rather an intense appreciation/fascination. Of course, sometimes this leads to arousal or sexual exploration with other nudists who consent. I wonder if anyone else feels this push and pull of desire of wanting to see other men naked - not always in a sexual or erotic way - but just to be able to gaze and stare without fear of judgement. And furthermore how that fits into a nudist lifestyle as both platonic non-sexual experiences and as an entry point to sexual exploration.We should have grown up seeing others nude. It should not be unusual. Our curiosity should have had the opportunity to abate a long time ago.
My best guess is the a good "cure" would be to be around nude people a lot -- especially if it's ok to "look" to your heart's content.

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Well said

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When Christian missionaries bring clothing into a nude society, marital fidelity goes from essentially 100% to matching that of western society. Porn becomes an issue where it had never been heard of before.

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I don't see any difference with looking at other individuals between been naked and wearing clothing. We do it all the time, though been nude is a bit more personal per say. There is also a difference to most between looking and staring and where you are doing it. It is totally different, in public places like the gym, sauna, nudist places that are open to the general public compared to a private club, where the rules are clearly stated and what is permitted and not, then you more liberal to act with other consenting adults. It is the same as been in a night club compared to a 'gentlemen's' club of what would be acceptable. Keeping to the acceptable rules is key to been a responsible individual doing the looking.

Voyeurism isn't "looking" any more than "being nude" is Exhibitionism. It is looking as an
a process of objectification for sexual pleasure.

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