The Great Nudist Controversy: Nudism vs sexuality!

With only four years of nudism under my belt versus the nearly sixty years prior being a textile, my thought processes have gone through much change in a relatively short time.

I have opened up my mind to a whole new way of life and a whole new way of thinking. All the social conditioning was now under assault as I contemplated how naturism and nudity fit into life, my new life. What I should feel about it and why. First it was " my doctors see me naked and it's okay, even their hourly staff as they assist, have seen me in all my glory, so why isn't okay for the Prime driver or the coffee shop clerk to see me naked, that is, as long as they don't care why should I. I'm just another human! And why are people in general conditioned to care.

If it is accepted, it's okay. It is our natural state, Why is it such a problem in society? Culture! That's the answer! Doing every day things, clothed or not, I have reflected on the reluctance of society to accept the human form as a natural thing rather than something "dirty". The conclusion I have come to is: "that's their problem"!

So with this new revelation comes the controversy of sexuality and its place in nudism. There it is! Culture again. In the nudist society, there is nothing dirty about our naked human form but when it comes to sexuality, now that's "dirty"! Inappropriate! Wrong! Why?

PDA, the forbidden zone for nudists. And why is that? "This is not the place for that!", some will say. And why is that? I really don't know. We walk through the park, see a couple being amorous on a blanket, we think, "how beautiful" as we appreciate their tender moment. Reflecting on our own similar moments from our past. But if they were doing it naked we would be telling them to get a room. Is it just me or is there some hypocrisy there?

Suppose you are at the zoo, It's spring time. Nature is taking its course. It's mating season. The activity is happening all around you. Copulation! It's natural, It's life! Some parents shield their children, most adults watch on in awe of nature in action. If some look away, It's because they feel they should, not because they want to. Embarrassed what someone else may think if they get caught staring, but they want to. The exceptions, the very prude or the farmer who has seen it so often, it's a non issue. Just another day in nature.

Is it not the same with humans? Beautiful and natural? If we were to see a couple engaged in the moment at our nudist resort, it's scandalous. They need to be evicted! are they being.....to human to be naturists! Again, I see what appears to be hypocrisy. It is a violation of "the culture". Is the culture a culture of Hypocrisy?

So I open the debate! Somewhere between "you're a sicko" and " I love a good f..k fest" is the truth. I hope it generates some intelligent dialog as we discuss what always seems to be the elephant in the nudist room.

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I grew up in a more repressive culture and have never appreciated much public display of affection or PDA. Even as I have become more comfortable with myself, my body and emotions, I want to keep a sense of private vs. public seperation. It has nothing to do with orientation or clothes, but the shadow that naturally folllows PDA is public bickering or the display of any problem or emotion, that sense of stepping into some strangers' emotional volcanic eruption zone which lack any restraint. Somehow the line becomes thin between that young, romantic beautiful couple and the dysfunctional screaming Walmartian pair. Venues such as sports, arts and religion remain great expression of public passion. So to anyone of any demographics, I honor you all as fully sexual and beautiful beings, and wish you unrestrained private passion and public peace.

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Over 20 years ago while on holiday, Lorna and I found ourselves on a clothes optional beach, as we were there to relax in the sun and swim in the sea we decided like almost everyone else to opt out of or clothes and enjoy sunbathing naked.

It soon became apparent that the only difference to being on a textile beach was the abundance of solo males (why dont solo men go to the beach as a textile?) Every single person was behaving exactly the same as the people on the textile beach.

Over the years we continued to visit places where we could enjoy being naked on the beach.

About 10 years ago we started going to naturist resorts, spending all our time naked not just on the beach. Guess what.......naturist resorts are exactly the same as textile ones (apart from the few solo men). People act exactly as they do if they were in a textile resort.

What does all this mean..... it means that there is no controversy. There is no Vs between nudism and sexuality. Sexuality exists in both textile and nudist lifestyles.

The only great controversy is why so many men decide to become naturists in their 50s and join a website to discuss sex. (Or their own personal fetish)

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What does all this mean..... it means that there is no controversy. There is no Vs between nudism and sexuality. Sexuality exists in both textile and nudist lifestyles.The only great controversy is why so many men decide to become naturists in their 50s and join a website to discuss sex. (Or their own personal fetish)

Once again you covered the response to this perfectly. Exposing the silly and ridiculous small minded focus of some men on this site who seem to have no life beyond talking about sex and no thoughts that rise beyond the head located Below the waist

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Once again you covered the response to this perfectly.

I chuckled when I read this. I expected to be called a perv and a moron for writing the OP, which is your typical MO.
I do have to commend you on your articulate followup post though SL.
But then we have the "silly, ridiculous, small minded" comment coming from the peanut gallery implying that many of the male members here, because sex is in a topic, are only capable of thinking with their dicks! It must be wonderful to be become so mature that your dick is no longer an important part of your life.
Yes this topic IS controversial. I posed many questions! Opening the door to mature and thoughtful responses. I personally agree with StoneAndy: that Intimacy is best experienced intimately and privately, Maybe not his exact words but what I got out of it,
So to respond to your stereotype of "over 50" male nudists. Perhaps there is much truth there. So why is that? I think that for many, their nudism finally makes them feel a freedom to express what they have always felt the need to repressed. Just my opinion. And so what.
As I read through my feed I see topics such as favorite food, last movie you watched, favorite color, books you've read, bath or shower, do any of them have anything to do with nudism? But post "what do you find sexy" and the question immediately pops up.
Why is that? It is the total point of the OP. It's a phobia that seems to exist in the nudist community. Thus it seemed to be a good debate topic.
Hopefully, more responses will follow and they will be articulate rather than demeaning.

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I think the primary rationale for keeping sexual activity clearly separate from nudism/naturism is because society in general will tolerate people being naked as long as they dont have to see it, but society will cry foul if they believe children are being exposed to sex acts, and if we dont separate the two and strive to avoid any possible sexual misconduct or perception of such with minors, then the whole of nudism/naturism would be banned. I for one support keeping my sexual activities out of sight of minors to maintain my freedom to be nude and the freedom for people to raise their children as nudists without violating their innocence if they so choose.

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I think the primary rationale for keeping sexual activity clearly separate from nudism/naturism is because society in general will tolerate people being naked as long as they dont have to see it, but society will cry foul if they believe children are being exposed to sex acts, and if we dont separate the two and strive to avoid any possible sexual misconduct or perception of such with minors, then the whole of nudism/naturism would be banned. I for one support keeping my sexual activities out of sight of minors to maintain my freedom to be nude and the freedom for people to raise their children as nudists without violating their innocence if they so choose.

I wish that were true but disagree that
1) society in general will tolerate people being naked as they dont have to see it
2) society will cry foul if they believe children are being exposed to any sex acts, including clothed ones (turn on any TV)
3) society can realize that nudity alone is not a sex act or a violation of innocence
4) nudists think they can escape society's hypocrisy by desexualizing their nudity and themselves

We are sexual creatures with or without our clothes! We are spiritual creatures with or without a sense of grounded or hypocritical morality. Let us walk in the space in between and affirm one other.

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Once again you covered the response to this perfectly. Exposing the silly and ridiculous small minded focus of some men on this site who seem to have no life beyond talking about sex and no thoughts that rise beyond the head located Below the waist

Only one response to the OP who seems disturbed by the comment about particularly since it didnt describe as a perv (something I have never called someone. I guess of you named it the old maxim (you May want to look that up it sent a reference to the Men's magazine) applies. "If the shoe fits wear it"

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I think the primary rationale for keeping sexual activity clearly separate from nudism/naturism is because society in general will tolerate people being naked as long as they dont have to see it, but society will cry foul if they believe children are being exposed to sex acts, and if we dont separate the two and strive to avoid any possible sexual misconduct or perception of such with minors, then the whole of nudism/naturism would be banned. I for one support keeping my sexual activities out of sight of minors to maintain my freedom to be nude and the freedom for people to raise their children as nudists without violating their innocence if they so choose.I wish that were true but disagree that1) society in general will tolerate people being naked as they dont have to see it2) society will cry foul if they believe children are being exposed to any sex acts, including clothed ones (turn on any TV)3) society can realize that nudity alone is not a sex act or a violation of innocence4) nudists think they can escape society's hypocrisy by desexualizing their nudity and themselvesWe are sexual creatures with or without our clothes! We are spiritual creatures with or without a sense of grounded or hypocritical morality. Let us walk in the space in between and affirm one other.

Not following your points StoneAndy: society allows nude beaches and nudist resorts today, so point 1 that these are tolerated is evidently true. Children are allowed at those beaches and resorts, and therefore, if public sex were happening at those locations children would be exposed, and what real life case of that happening does not cause a general reaction of horror from the public? So point two is also supported with evidence. Point 3 is supported in law in most states by defining lewd (sexual) behavior as a crime and not simple nudity. And point 4 is a belief I hold, and the only hope we have.

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Not following your points StoneAndy.
Thanks for your feedback. In no way am I arguing with you legally. It's mostly people's attitudes and hypocrisy which bother me. The thing about laws in the US is that they don't mean much when lawsuits drive everyday thinking. You can do a lot that's legal, but not fraught without legal hassles. To give you a perspective on where I'm coming from: I asked a nudist resort about visiting as a single dad and learned: 1) if I come as a male I need a female escort or 2) if I come with my minor children, I need a waiver signed by their mother (e.g. another point of contention in court) . One day at a time.

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This is a long-standing topic in naturism and its worth remembering the origins of the culture you referred to; what might be called the naturist movement in the german free body culture of the early twentieth century. The truth, that some naturists airbrush out, is that alongside celebrating the nude body, this movement also celebrated exercise, fitness, and yes, sex. So it seems that open lovemaking was regarded positively in that time and place. What this reveals is that the high minded self-styled naturist know-it-alls have a knowledge thats as limited as their world view and manners. How wonderful that you posed this question so openly, insightfully, and respectfully FreeLee. Respect!

What a great thread! I am curious to learn more how the original German FKK (free body culture) celebrated sex along with nudity and exercise. In the US our thinking tends to be polarized between extremes: either open sex anywhere, any how, any time, any one or disconnect sexuality from the human naked body. What do we have to learn from our naked naturist lovemaking forefathers? I think Marlene Dietrich made it clear: In America, sex is an obsession, in other parts of the world it's a fact.

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