Interesting replies as during the summer I was taking the dog for her walk beside a local river and on one of the river beaches was a family with a girl about 6 years old and she was playing in the river with her brother and, she had on swimwear not much larger than a thong so, her private parts were covered and not much else and, so is it down to partly the country and how people are brainwashed into thinking things are bad.
You haven't seen anything until you see how they force the parents to dress up little girls for cheerleading competitions! I was on travel for work a few years ago and when I went down to the hotel restaurant for breakfast one Saturday morning, I was APPALLED at how the mothers had all of the little girls dressed up and made up like 80's porn stars! 8, 9, and 10 year old girls with a pound of makeup on, mascara, eye liner, eye shadow, lipstick/lip gloss HEAVILY applied. Some with the JUICY and PINK on their bottoms... I ate as quickly as I could and got OUT of there! I had thought of saying something to one or two of the parents, but decided against getting a room full of crazy women angry with me. I later discussed this with a parent of some kids who are into sports, etc. and she replied that the coaches DEMAND this "so that it looks better under the lights and for photographs". Parents just need to be PARENTS and say NO. Not MY child!!!
I'm tempted to reply being a member of a family nudist club however i don't want to be associated in any manner with such males that let their minds wonder like this.
I'm not sure what you mean. I know Jehoram, the original poster, and he never seemed like a perv to me. I think this was an honest question about the roles that women are forced into by our culture, and the way they are taught to perceive their bodies. As a member of a family nudist club, I'm sure you can appreciate how liberating it can be for a girl to be raised in that environment, where there isn't any issue about clothing.
And, frankly, I think that the real pervs are the ones who are always deluging women with "too skinny/too fat/too much makeup/not enough makeup/showing too much skin/not showing enough skin/too dark/too pale/not smiling enough/smiling too much/tits too big/tits too small" and so on,,. trying to mold a woman into some artificial construct of theirs. And, as others have pointed out, the process starts at an alarmingly early age.
There is a documentary from France that came out a couple years ago and made quite a stir bc of the title, which was:
"Are All Men Pedophiles?"
I think it's on Amazon Prime.
Not as salacious as it sounds though.. it's just a look at some interesting studies done by university researchers that asked tons of men of all ages and kinds, to rate the attractiveness of various females in pictures, and ask questions like "which one would you prefer as a sexual partner? " etc...
Then they spoke to some psychologists and psychiatrists and evolutionary biologists.
*but* they make an important distinction:
Most males, it turns out, are most attracted to the physical appearance of young teen females... 13-17. And that is not technically "pedophilia" since they are past puberty, it is actually called "hebephilia".
And apparently IT'S THE WAY GOD WANTED IT.
Turns out it has to do with evolution, propagating your genome, etc
Having grown up with girl cousins, then later watched nieces grow up, now watching a granddaughter growing, its noticeable that kids like to copy their parents, and by gender, so yes, a lot of little girls want to wear nice dresses, high heel shoes, make up, and ..... bras and bikini tops. One of my nieces used to think it was funny to put tennis balls in her bikini top.
So I don't think little girls are being made to wear bikini tops, they want to.
Years ago, when bikini waxing/shaving moved on from Brazilian to all off, I did worry that that was sexualising little girls and I didnt like it at first, but its become the norm now.
Most males, it turns out, are most attracted to the physical appearance of young teen females... 13-17. And that is not technically "pedophilia" since they are past puberty, it is actually called "hebephilia".And apparently IT'S THE WAY GOD WANTED IT.Turns out it has to do with evolution, propagating your genome, etc
I've been doing some thinking about this, and from what I could get out of it, the poll wasn't complete enough to get a good picture. They probably interviewed only "textile" males, who've had a different sensitizing experience than nudists did.
Here's my alternate theory: When boys get interested in sex, they're usually in their early teens. They're associating far more with 13-17 year old girls than adult women, and when they form their ideals of "feminine beauty," they're far more likely to draw those images from their potential girlfriends. As they get older, they still retain a preference for those images, because it reminds them of their own youth and that era of sexual awareness.
And there's always that urge to be the one to take a girl's maidenhead. I think it was Oscar Wilde who put it best. "Every man wants to be a woman's first lover. Every woman wants to be a man's last lover." I know that's a very broad brush, but I think there's some truth in it.
Quoting myself here:
When you click on a man's profile, you see the international symbol for "man" which is a stick figure. On the women's profiles, you see the international symbol for "woman" which is ... a stick figure with a dress. Kind of strange for a nudist site, right?
I was reminded by this when I visited Laguna del Sol last weekend. There are restrooms next to the nude-mandatory swimming pools. The gender assignments of those restrooms are marked with ... you guessed it... the stick figures with and without dresses. I thought that was funny, since you could look around and see more conspicuous ways to distinguish males and females:
If I had a little extra money, I would make restroom signs with those images and donate them to the resort.
Super interesting read, felt compelled to add my two cents... Theres the constant pull of Nature and Nurture in our lives and the pull seems strongest in our youth. As a mother of two and educator, I have some experience here although I am truly not an expert. What Ive observed most of the time is Nurtures pull... we are to a large extent a product of pit surroundings. We want to fit in and not be considered odd, so we do what others do. At least in today American culture, that means girls love girly, flirty cloths, make up. It there is clearly the influence of Natures pull... the urge to be an individual and represent oneself the way they feel is necessary, regardless what others think.
In my experience, its a rare situation where a young girls Nature side (individuality) overcomes her Nurture side (go with the flow). My girls are a good case study, the oldest does what others do, the younger marches to the beat of her own drum. And I couldnt be happier.