Nudism and Porn

When I was at my last non-landed club event, I noticed the usual preponderance of men, and the fact that most of us were "senior citizens" (at least defined by Denny's restaurants... 55 or older). And I noticed that almost none of us had bodies that would inspire lustful thoughts in your average person.

Two thoughts struck me. The first is that we are seeing bodies as they actually are, not the kind that seem to be prevalent in porn. We are overweight, we have small penises and sagging breasts. But we're comfortable with that.

But we know what naked bodies should look like. Young people who haven't been exposed to nudism don't, and their only reference to naked people is what they see in porn: idealized female bodies with perky breasts, and slim waistlines, and male bodies with gym-rat physiques and big cocks. When they compare themselves to that image, they have to draw the conclusion that their bodies are substandard, and they're reluctant to show those bodies to other people because they fear that they'll be humiliated.

I doubt that there are many people above the age of puberty who hasn't been exposed to porn over the internet. So they see these images and draw the wrong conclusion. They've never gotten the message that there is nudity that isn't involved with sex, since they don't see it in the media or in their own lives.

My second thought was that women, as usual, get the short end of the stick. They begin to struggle with body images from middle school on, and are more reluctant to expose their bodies to other people. Add to that the fact that they're being hit on for the first time in their lives, and find men staring at them even when they're clothed, and you have an explanation for the fact that you don't see them as often in situations where they are naked, unless they're in the company of a partner (preferably of the opposite sex).

Maybe the reason that men aren't as reluctant is the fact that there are more men who are not physically attractive who nonetheless get starring roles in television series and films. So guys have some role models to tell them that as long as they're not grossly overweight or under-muscled, their bodies might not be that repulsive.

And, of course, if we grew up just after World War II, most of us have been in some sort of communal nude situation in gym showers or, less often, in nude swimming events. So we had a chance to compare our bodies to those of others of our sex, and seen the normal variations. Do kids today have that opportunity, or are the ideal bodies of porn stars and models the only nude people they ever see today?

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As a parent one can assume that kids find access to porn earlier than we'd like to think. So the onus is on us as parents to expose our children to a healthier, balanced and more realistic view of nudity, particularly in a setting not defined by sexuality. Nudism should be a wonderful opportunity for kids to understand that adults have real bodies like their parents and that they can be comfortable with their bodies as they develop and mature.
When resorts discriminate against single parents, their children - a good 50% of children today - don't have the opportunity to get exposed to a healthy view of adult nudity. Who will be around to frequent the resorts in 20 years? Porn 1 - Nudism 0.

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The FBI says if you have a 9 year old son, and he has access to the internet, you can presume he has seen hard core porn. That is not defined is just naked people or even naked people having sex, but hard core porn. Most girls have also seen it.

By the time your children, boys or girls are 8, you should have explained everything in clear detail and discussed it with them to establish yourself as an expert.

You are correct that trying to match online body image can lead to all kinds of difficulties for boys and girls.

The concern now is no longer having our children see pornography but posting it. 12 and 13 year old boys ask girls out by texting pictures of their naked erect penises, and girls send pictures of their breasts. This has become common.

It is now common for Underage Boys and girls to post videos of them masturbating online and sometimes interacting online with a member of the same or different gender masturbating for their view at the same time.

It is essential, whether nudist or not, for parents to establish themselves as the masters of the material.

I was at a conference where then FBI Director Muller was asked what was the best way for parents to keep their kids out of trouble.

He said to eat dinner with them every night so if there were behavioral changes, the parents are aware.

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Certainly porn creates a problematic set of expectations around sex. But I rather think body image issues arise even without porn, given entertainment, advertising, and the incessant showing-off on social media by "influencers" and peers.

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I don't think that body issues are related to porn as much as fashion or lack of. The body issues come from many sources that do not involve nudity or sexual activity and are aggravated by a desire to fit in. When I was reaching my teens in the early 60's our accesibility to porn was pretty much limited to sneaking to the back of the drug store to get a glimps of the forbidden in the Playboy Magazines. We had no sex education in school and our parents gave us a very minimum talk. Today the internet gives access to just about anybody and the kids know how to get past parental controls that many parents don't even know how to put on. Fashion gives us an almost full view of the feminine body when you consider swimwear, yoga pants, and sports bras. How many of the girls that wear clothes that can appear to be painted on have body issues? Those that do will wear what is fashionable even if they are not comfortable with the look and they would never get the connection that what they are wearing is not much different from being nude.
Though not real, porn gave me some hints as to what will satisfy my partner. It taught me that fantasy is normal and OK, and for too many years that nudity and sex went together. She taught me otherwise. We skinny dipped at her place, and though limited the amount of time spent nude, we did not hurry to get dressed after swimming, bathing, or getting up in the morning. We may have done some sexting had that been available to us because we were inquisitive as are today's kids. Just think of the things being done simply because our friends have suggested we try it too. We sometimes learn things by stumbling on to them. Other things we learn because we look for the answers.
I have now reached the age when porn is boring, being nude has nothing to do with sex and the body is less likely to cooperate when I have the desire. I have a desire to be nude mostly for comfort reasons, and that guy described in the original post is a one like me. I have no need to show myself and not much to want to see other nudists either.

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nudeyooper wrote:

I don't think that body issues are related to porn as much as fashion or lack of. Fashion gives us an almost full view of the feminine body when you consider swimwear, yoga pants, and sports bras. How many of the girls that wear clothes that can appear to be painted on have body issues? Those that do will wear what is fashionable even if they are not comfortable with the look and they would never get the connection that what they are wearing is not much different from being nude.

There's that component, too. And again, fashion shows us unrealistic images, and lets us show approval of young, perfectly proportioned women. If an overweight senior citizen showed up at Walmart in those same yoga pants and sports bra, she would not be greeted with the same approval. But this may be as close as a young person gets to seeing what people are really shaped like.

I think that my original point holds true. As long as the only body forms that young people see, either naked or in form-revealing clothes, are idealized bodies, then the more inferior those young people will see themselves as, and the more reluctant they will be to show their own natural forms to their peers. The problem with body-shaming and the threat it poses to nudism isn't that we body-shame others. It's that we body-shame ourselves.

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If we really want our kids to see the true shape of bodies instead of the idealized ones they try to emulate, send them to Walmart. You will see senior citizen women in halter tops and yoga pants. You will also see teens and all ages in between in the same form fitting attire. If you are not near a Walmart there are plenty of You Tube videos to demonstrate my point.

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Great discussion. I also think because young people are watching porn since they are 8 they are conditioned that nudism is porn. They body shame and eroticise themselves and the consequence is less and less younger people are visiting nudist places.

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And that impression can be checked by googling "Nudist" on any browser with "safe mode" turned up. For every sincere web site, there are a dozen porn sites. No wonder young people equate the two.

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And that impression can be checked by googling "Nudist" on any browser with "safe mode" turned up. For every sincere web site, there are a dozen porn sites. No wonder young people equate the two.

To be fair, many of the topics on TN dont help.

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Comparison is the theft of Joy. If you are comparing your body to that of porn stars you are going to be dissatisfied with yourself for sure. If you think everyone is shredded with a 10 inch penis because the only naked bodies you have seen are in porn, a trip to the closest nudist resort will cure that image.

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