In many ways I agree with nude4070. The petition might bring the issue to the forefront with the ANF, and its affiliates, but in the long run there are many cultural issues that guide participation rates/ membership rates and the economic viability of clubs that need addressing before I think the ANF is likely to act.
I am one of the single males who applied to join nude4070s group, and I would withdraw my application if I could see how to do it - I didnt read the rules and was trying to see what a TN friend had posted to the group (though Ive worked out a way to do so via his profile). I think the attempt by nude4070 at trying to create a balanced group is a good idea, but given I now live outside the geographic area of the group created by nude4070 it is unlikely I would get to attend any activities anyway. As far as I know there are 2 campsites/ clubs within a 200 kilometre radius of where I live, and I am not even sure if one still operates, so club rules are all a bit academic for me at the moment (as is the solution of finding another club that takes single males suggested by some in other threads on this petition).
I can also understand the frustration of single males who want to join clubs, I know how much such rules limited my participation when starting out as a nudist. If males can not demonstrate they can behave appropriately at a club because they can not join, how will individual behaviour or any cultural shift by males be observed? Males-only days at these clubs would allow club managers to ban those behaving inappropriately. Observation otherwise will only be by their behaviour outside of the club environment, and in this state that is participating in an illegal activity unless you are talking about one of the few nude private campgrounds, most of which are quasi-clubs or have club-like rules themselves. I have often wondered what cultural change/ perception by females and the public at large would occur if we had legal beaches in Queensland. I would imagine that for many Queenslanders their first nude experiences would be at a beach, rather than at a club, and the behaviour they see at the beach would determine their opinions. If attending a nude beach was not an activity that required secrecy to avoid a possible criminal record would enough people go that behaviour would be better, and the perverts would not scare the females away? If the nude beaches were not in isolated places would females feel safer? I suppose the fact that in other states there still are discriminatory rules shows that thus far the cultural perceptions have not changed enough to make females want to participate more. I know the ANF have tried to get QLD legislation changed, but I wonder if this still is not the first step that needs greater continued focus.
However we also live in a society that is happy to discriminate against singles, whatever gender, in any number of ways, so what chance of changing this specific discrimination? I am not signing because I do not like using the change.org platform.
Thank you all once again for your signatures and shares of this petition.
108 Signatures, 53 shares!
Yes, the numbers have slowed but we are still growing. I do encourage signatories/supporters to become Supporting Members of the ANF, ausnatural.org.au at a voting level. More paid Supporting Members means more votes and a potentially greater voice. And yes, there may be socio-economic bias within the ANF that prices some events far beyond the reach of the average member of the community. The ANF do run Zoom Pub Nights twice a month currently and this allows naturists from the whole country and overseas to attend, and I believe Supporting Members may sit in on the AGM via Zoom in November, as I did last year.
Now a request. If you really support positive change in the Naturist Community in Australia, please continue to share this petition as much as you can.
There are resorts that will accept a certain amount of lone males, there is one I know of in Central Victoria, so they are out there. I think the ones that don't accept lone males have the wrong idea of male nudists. We are not all dirty old men who are just there for a thrill, we are there to socialize with other like-minded people. Let's face it if they get any complaints the offender can be shown the door and put on a blacklist.
Yes, there's one on the Sunshine Coast.
Yes, but too few allowing or catering to too few. A new approach is needed as expressed in the petition. Those of us who are genuine are punished by the current quotas and restrictions or unwritten indirect discrimination. Catering to the number of solo males with suitable events, still following naturist etiquette, and greater utilisation of resources aimed at genuine naturist solo males can and will swell numbers of naturists paying memberships and promote a more positive attitude toward naturism as a whole. Those who stray from good manners get barred if their actions are shown not to be an actual mistake/accident. Currently, all solo males are presumed guilty of being sex pests without even being met. Delaying tactics are most often used to drive men away through frustration. A few token males in some clubs just is not good enough. The ANF is supposed to promote naturism, not just naturism for heterosexual couples.
Those wanting to socialise... try doing a search here on TN for... Sth East Queensland Men's group.... they organise meet ups and camping etc.
I do not know who runs the group, but it seems popular.
Yes, there's one on the Sunshine Coast.Yes, but too few allowing or catering to too few. A new approach is needed as expressed in the petition. Those of us who are genuine are punished by the current quotas and restrictions or unwritten indirect discrimination. Catering to the number of solo males with suitable events, still following naturist etiquette, and greater utilisation of resources aimed at genuine naturist solo males can and will swell numbers of naturists paying memberships and promote a more positive attitude toward naturism as a whole. Those who stray from good manners get barred if their actions are shown not to be an actual mistake/accident. Currently, all solo males are presumed guilty of being sex pests without even being met. Delaying tactics are most often used to drive men away through frustration. A few token males in some clubs just is not good enough. The ANF is supposed to promote naturism, not just naturism for heterosexual couples.
Whole heartly agree with you Geoff
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