The pleasure of touching and being touched

I am a girl from the South so I am very tactile - I like to touch and be touched. I am liberal with hugs and I will often touch your arm, your shoulder or your hand when I speak with you. Dressed or naked. My personal space radius is also shorter than that of most Northerners so I will usually be closer to you than you may be used with. These combination of being closer and touching your interlocutor makes Southern men look more aggressive, persistent and simply unpleasant but Southern girls look more approachable, nicer and friendlier. Americans also have shorter personal space than the average but they are not tactile and have a tendency to speak very loudly, which makes them look aggressive and self righteous. At least these are my observations - and yes, I regularly meet people from other countries and other cultures.

What happens when you add social nudity? I was very unaware of my own nudity as a kid. My parents kept me naked on the beach until I was around 8 and started growing boobs. Most kids were naked on the beach at the time. My parents were poor so we never went on holidays but we lived not too far from the ocean so we often spent the weekend on a beach, playing and barbequing. Things have changed now, under the pretext that one (typically) guy in one thousand may sexualise children we sexualise them ourselves - I've seen little girls as small as 2-3 yo wearing bras on the beach.

I was very boyish and really envied and wanted to be a boy so I considered my growing boobs an irreversible catastrophy - I became very prudish mainly because I was trying to hide them. But by the time I was 11 or 12 I was already a C cup so I had to accept that I would be an unhappy boobs wearer for the rest of my life - but remained very shy until my man took me on a clothing optional beach and forced me out of my bikini. I was lucky there was no gender conversion therapy at the time, I am today glad that I am a woman. Yes, there are disadvantages to being a woman but there are advantages too. Guys, I am sexualy attracted to you but let's face it: my attraction is not necessarily linked to your looks as most of you are not exactly Venice. I could sell the image of my body (let alone my body), most of you wish you could but couldn't. And I can have 20 orgasms for one of yours and mine are mind boggling fireworks, transcendental experiences, not the little tickles which accompany your ejaculations.

But this is a serious, not a teasing topic and it's about touching and being touched. I like to be massaged. I like less to massage, mostly because my nails are usually quite long, which is of course fine for an erotic massage (but this can be the subject of another topic if you wish) but not for rubbing deeply tensed muscles. I could spend hours being massaged - not too hard, just relaxing massage. I could spend all my time just being caressed on my back, I would be purring and I would forget to eat and sleep. So yes, please do massage me any time for any duration...

Ok no, I won't come to your hotel room, strip and jump on your bed for a massage within five minutes after being introduced, but if we have spent some time in the nude together for a few days and you let me understand that you are a good massagist...

I don't often book a massage for two reasons, first because I find it ridiculously expensive and second because my man is certified in both Thai and Swedish (or Californian) massage so our massage table gets regular use. But I do get a professional one once or twice a month. That's usually in a German spa, after sauna and shower when I inquire about a massage and if a masseuse is available (you typically have to book in advance)... And sorry to disappoint you guys, but more often than not it's a lady who massages me. But whenever I travel to Asian countries I make sure to get at least one massage every day, prices are incredibly low and the ladies are extremely sweet and very good at what they are doing. I am also fascinated by Asian women's small and elegant hands. I can't take my eyes off them in a restaurant in Thailand or Indonesia when they bring my food or drink and I feel intense pleasure I wouldn't call it erotic but it's very similar- when I feel them sliding expertly over my big naked body. I think I understand men who like petite girls.

I saw lots of guys boasting about how they take their panties off for massage. I don't do that unless I am explicitly offered the option. I do like those paper strings which are sometimes offered, they don't hide much (in fact I don't think they hide anything if you get hip manipulations) but they do offer a modic of modesty -or the pretext thereof- so everybody is happy. Of course this is not really an issue in nudist places like Friedrichsbad, where you don't have a stitch of textile, and even in most German spa, where you will likely arrive from a spa, wrapped only in a towel and you will be naked all the time.

But even in other, non nudist places, massages in Europe are not as prude as in the US. You don't have this complex wrapping technique which tries to hide everything all the time. Your chest will be exposed and sometimes, if you are nude, you may get a symbolic towel across the hips but of course there is nothing your massagist won't see when he is working on your legs. And, with your agreement, that towel will be off for the final part of the massage, which includes those long "connecting" strikes going from the tips of your toes to your finger tips, which are honestly very nice and a pity to skip. For talking with massagists I also know that women who refuse their chest to be massaged are extremely rare. It's not like those lumps of fat called boobs will be fondled specifically for minutes in a row (although they will usually receive a bit of attention) but they will be involved in longer strokes and the connection between your pectoral muscle and your shoulder will be better worked on.

Now there is no worldwide definition of what is (and is not) a classic, sensual, erotic and sexual massage. I guess a traditional European massage, where you body is exposed and your chest is massages would be considered a sensual massage in the US. On the opposite spectrum, in some parlours what is called sensual massage is actually having sex with your masseuse.

I've said it before, I consider happy-ending massages as sexual acts. Simulating sex to produce an orgasm is sex. Now I don't say this is good or bad, or it is morally wrong or anything. I wouldn't divorce D because he got a hand job from a masseuse and if some massagist gives me an orgasm I won't count him among the "men of my life". No, there is no need for penetration for this to be a sexual act (although digital penetration may be included for ladies) but lack of penetration does make it less important.

So now here come my questions:

1. On a scale 1 to 10, how much do you like to touch and be touched?
2. What is to you the difference between classic, sensual, erotic and sexual massage?
3. How far would you go in receiving and giving a massage and in what conditions?
4. Do you consider a happy ending to a massage a sexual act?

I could also tell you my own specific experience with massages but that would be... well, a bit teasing so let's leave it maybe to another time.

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Thanks for another great piece... straight to your questions without further ado...

1. On a scale 1 to 10, how much do you like to touch and be touched?
10
2. What is to you the difference between classic, sensual, erotic and sexual massage?
Classic, the focal areas are back and shoulders and are almost medical in nature.
Sensual, add some soft music, candles, softer touch a more caressing touch, maybe add some body to body contact.
Erotic, add the more intimate areas, buttocks and genitals, both parties being naked.
Sexual, add an orgasm for a man and penetration for a lady, knowing ladies do not always orgasm during a sexual act... just saying...
3. How far would you go in receiving and giving a massage and in what conditions?
Well, that's a hard one (excuse the pun, crass i know)... it really depends on the actions and reactions of both parties... it would be a slow and gradual progression which would stop when either party had reached their limit.
4. Do you consider a happy ending to a massage a sexual act?
Definitely, yes.

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Hmmm? Good questions!

#1 is a 10 for sure with me! I love touch! Giving and receiving.

#2 is like first base to a home run.
A classic being focused on muscle and tension relief. Physical and mental relaxation.
Sensual, when the touch involved is intended to arouse the libido.
Erotic, when touch is escalated to include direct stimulation focused on the intent of nearing orgasm or edging but excluding intercourse, but may include some oral teasing.
But sexual is when both reach a level of sexual energy that mutual stimulation is eminent, resulting in one or both parties having an orgasm with no restraint. Good times!

#3 How far would you (I) go? I suppose that would depend on the comfort level of second party and a get out of jail free card from wifey!

#4 Do you consider a happy ending to a massage a sexual act?
I think that depends on the state of mind!

I read this story this morning:

Wth just happened?! O at doctors office

I am so embarrassed right now! I have a LLP and was referred by my obgyn to see a tech that specializes in doing a scan to see if it's moved and whether I can deliver vaginally.

Anyway, I got there and had an abdominal ultrasound and the tech couldn't see enough so he told me he had to insert a vaginal wand with a camera. I wasn't expecting this to happen but was ok with it. After he inserts it he starts moving the wand around and taking measurements etc and omg I start feeling like I'm going to have an orgasm. So I tense up and try to avoid it and then he asks if he has hurt me. So I said no it's fine. He continues and a few seconds later I have a fricken orgasm. My legs tensed up and buckled and I let out the tiniest sigh that I couldn't keep in. He must have realised what happened and removed the wand and said he will continue when I'm not so sensitive.

Does this mean he knew what happened? I am so embarrassed. I have never ever associated anything medical as sexual so this was really out of no where for me! I should also state that he was quite young and good looking so maybe this had something to do with it? I've had transvaginal ultrasounds before and I never experienced this.


Is this a happy ending?
Was it sex?

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Thanks Flora for another well-written, thoughtful piece...
1. On a scale 1 to 10, how much do you like to touch and be touched?
10 (providing it's consensual)
2. What is to you the difference between classic, sensual, erotic and sexual massage?
Classic - all therapeutic massage, and back/shoulders relaxation massage.
Sensual - naked, gentle touch, except when requested otherwise, no area off limits, according to consent
Erotic - as Sensual, but more focused on stimulation ... nipples, genitals, etc, masseur and subject naked
Sexual - as Erotic but focused entirely on stimulation and climax
3. How far would you go in receiving and giving a massage and in what conditions?
With others than my partner, up to and including erotic. But I could be convinced about that... as you noted "I wouldn't divorce D because he got a hand job from a masseuse and if some massagist gives me an orgasm I won't count him among the "men of my life"."
4. Do you consider a happy ending to a massage a sexual act?
Yes.

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Lee, I am sure that the technician understood but also that he had been trained to the possibility. Maybe had seen it before. I don't have children but I understand that there is a hormonal and unpredictable storm during pregnancy. I know when I am ovulating because I am more... Let's say interested and sensitive and I suspect that during pregnancy this can be multiplied by ten. When I had a male gyno I was trying to avoid appointments during that period - I would have hated to show signs of arousal. Not that I expected them but better safe than sorry. Of course I didn't always manage to calculate precisely enough but never had a problem.

And have you seen the size of that wand? That's huuuuuge... Surely they could design something slimmer?

Poor girl. But the real question is this: as a young man considering his future career would you choose to be that technician who spends his work time inserting a sort of big metallic dildo into women's vagina?

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Poor girl. But the real question is this: as a young man considering his future career would you choose to be that technician who spends his work time inserting a sort of big metallic dildo into women's vagina?

Absolutely not.

The last thing I want to do when I finish work for the day is look at another spreadsheet.

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The below story is not sex, it is an inadvertent orgasm and I imagine it is not an uncommon occurrence. The woman who wrote it was thrust into a situation she didn't know was going to happen (it never had before) and I'm sorry it ended up being an embarrassing moment. It would make no sense for gynecologists to not expect such moments, and I'll assume they are trained to deal with it. It does worry me that the doctor was being insensitive by his comment about her sensitivity. The only thing that could've been done to avoid the orgasm would have included the woman masturbating before the exam began, but the woman writing this didn't have foreknowledge of the procedure or that the specialist was going to be a hottie.

Calling it a happy ending isn't appropriate due to the embarrassment involved. It does seem likely a male probably developed the vaginal wand with its shape and size - at the same time, to get an accurate reading of vaginal size to measure the viability of a woman for giving birth naturally, I suppose it's lucky they don't use some device that mimics the size and shape of a baby.

I have heard that many women find a whole new realm of sexual desire coming up during gestation. Oh those lucky fathers-to-be!

I read this story this morning:Wth just happened?! O at doctors officeI am so embarrassed right now! I have a LLP and was referred by my obgyn to see a tech that specializes in doing a scan to see if it's moved and whether I can deliver vaginally.Anyway, I got there and had an abdominal ultrasound and the tech couldn't see enough so he told me he had to insert a vaginal wand with a camera. I wasn't expecting this to happen but was ok with it. After he inserts it he starts moving the wand around and taking measurements etc and omg I start feeling like I'm going to have an orgasm. So I tense up and try to avoid it and then he asks if he has hurt me. So I said no it's fine. He continues and a few seconds later I have a fricken orgasm. My legs tensed up and buckled and I let out the tiniest sigh that I couldn't keep in. He must have realised what happened and removed the wand and said he will continue when I'm not so sensitive.Does this mean he knew what happened? I am so embarrassed. I have never ever associated anything medical as sexual so this was really out of no where for me! I should also state that he was quite young and good looking so maybe this had something to do with it? I've had transvaginal ultrasounds before and I never experienced this.Is this a happy ending?Was it sex?

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To answer your questions Flora,
1. 10 , massages are the best ever
2.. areas overlap, and change with countries and culture
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3. Yes, a happy ending massage would be considered sexual
4. I would participate 100%

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Of course, the issue of orgasms in public could be a good topic for our forum but number one, it may be a bit too much for TN, number two, I will be again the only one to make confessions and number three, nobody would be interested anyway...

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Of course, the issue of orgasms in public could be a good topic for our forum but number one, it may be a bit too much for TN, number two, I will be again the only one to make confessions and number three, nobody would be interested anyway...

Number 1 and 2 you'd be spot on.. 3 you're way off Flora!

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Pushing the envelope is your Forte so perhaps the topic should considered. And your readership would be completely absorbed by your revelations.

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