True Nudism! New generation? Or extinction?

I am thinking beyond the forum topic "Very illegal group" and how it affects us all in the long run.

Guys like Alexstarz1 will destroy nudism within one generation. The sad truth is that nudist numbers are falling drastically by the year. The reason? Because there is no new blooddline! Have you all missed the bleeding obvious, that the average age of naturists is rising every year?How do we attract the next generation.

Well the statistical fact is that the vast majority of kids (well over 90%) brought up as nudists leave the lifestyle. Nearly all new members of our community have to hide their interest from their immovably textilian parents. As they approach their late teens and twenties, they become less radical & brave and turn away from the lifestyle altogether.

So how do we help these youngsters follow their first chosen lifestyle before they lose conviction exactly at the time they become 18?

Well, as we have seen here, the first issue here is to protect these impressionable teenagers from predators and perverts like Alexstarz1. Naturists often claim that nudist children are far more broadly educated about nakedness and take little notice of it. But THAT is the danger. They are more likely to underestimate a threat than a textilian minor.

We need to be able to welcome in the naturist minors simply because they are safe where we can see tham, guide them and make them feel genuinely at home. But if they post naked or near-naked images of themselves, the Alexstarz1s of this world are lying in waiting. Also there are many legal systems in the world where children ar forbidden from seeing photos of nudity, particularly of adults.

We need to design our nudist sites so that minors are able to access and join, without such exposure. I have started a ning.com network where kids CAN join. BUT, no naked photos of anyone are permitted in profiles or public areas. The kids themselves are NOT allowed to post naked or beach-dressed photos of themselves anywhere on the site. They have their own groups which abide by these rules. We are still trying to maximise the member-watch to do our best to eke out adult ringers in the kids' sections. But at least the kids' images are not there. The adults are ONLY allowed to post naked images to adult-only groups, which the minors cannot join. Some of the adult members still don't get the point. But it is a start!

I would like your opinions. Particularly if your interest in nudism stretches a little further than just self-centredly looking for a place to strip off and wallow. We all owe the lifestyle for giving us this wonderful alternative to that other world out there. We can repay by renewing the community. But we have to think long and hard how it is to be done.

How do we stop the new generation drifting away?

Hugs, Will

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I was brought up a nudist and my older brother has chosen to leave the lifestyle, more because his wife does not like it (she thinks we are all weirdos) than anything else. i will always be a nudist and if i have kids i will bring them up to be nudists, but if they choose not be when they get older i think thats o.k. don't you think?
I agree Sandy, I didn't bring my son up as a nudist because my ex was not one. He has shown some interest and if he decided to try it I will be happy to help him find a good place.
Thomas

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I have been a nudist since my early 20's. Have been all over the US, Caribbean and Europe at nudist resorts and nude beaches. I also have owned a nudist resort for 15 years.I have always heard the mantra from nudists "If we don't raise our kids to be nudists, that's going to be the end of nudism."

The reality is as Willy said most children raised to be nudists quit once they are in they go away to college.

Nudisms bread and butter has always been the guests from age 30-75. But, know what? That is also the hotel industries target markets too as people in that age group have more income and more vacation time.

Now many old fashioned rusticnudist clubs which required members to work are going out of business. But, new resorts like ours that can compete with the mainstream textile market are doing very well. We have the 2nd highest occupancy rate of ALL hotels in Palm Springs. Only the Indian casino hotel beats us as they give away free room nights to gamblers.


Now the commitment to nudism as a lifestyle is waning. However the commitment to all clubs like Moose, Elks, etc is also on the decline. For that matter bowling leagues are on the decline, yet bowling in general is doing very well. AANR just had a survey done showing more people (10%) consider a nude vacation desirable. So nude vacationers is doing well, nude club members is not. The market is just changing along with the times.


These days most people no longer consider themselves nudists. They just like vacationing in the nude. And if you ask most people, they will also say they do NOT want to go to nudist resorts that cater to families and kids. They don't want to be around naked kids. If you look around the world, the most successful nudist resorts are those that cater to couples not those that are kid friendly.


If you have a quality place and have it at a fair price, your nudist resort will do well.


MC

https://sunnyfun.com

The Terra Cotta Inn, palm Springs, CA

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There is another bigger place in Palm Springs. They book single men. One of their guests made this comment on their trip there at trip advisor:
"Seems that all of the single men decided they needed to gravitate to the quiet pool where the couples were, plop down right next to us, use their cell phones, trying to recurit [sic]us and others to come play volley ball etc. Not exactly quiet. Some of these guys made us and another couple we spoke with a little uncomfortable. I won't go into a lot of detail, but some of there actions/behaviors were inappropriate in my opinion. We actually got up and left."
In a recent surveyfor the National LeisureTravel Monitor, they found 10% of Americans were interested in a nude vacation. More than golf or tennis vacations for instance. That's roughly 25 million Americans!
Nudism is growing at nice, well run nudist resorts. Cypress Cove in Florida, IMO the most well run nudist resort on the east coast is doing very well. Our resort The Terra Cotta Inn, in Palm Springs, CA is doing very well.
Nikolanovak asked what has happened to all the single women in nudism. IMO, the single men scare them off. I hear all the time from men calling saying they made a mistake and took their wife/girlfriend to a nude beach for their first experience and their wife/gf was turn off by all the men there. Now what do they do?

Guys, if you want nudism to grow, you have to invite women to go with you. I have only been to Little Beach on Maui once and I hated it as it was swarmed with menthe day we were there and I will never go back I felt that uncomfortable and I own a nudist resort.

I know single men don't like hearing this, but nudist resorts and beaches that are packed with men turn off women and hurt the growth of nudism. You have to invite women to go with you for nudism to grow.
MC

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I have been a nudist since my early 20's. Have been all over the US, Caribbean and Europe at nudist resorts and nude beaches. I also have owned a nudist resort for 15 years.I have always heard the mantra from nudists "If we don't raise our kids to be nudists, that's going to be the end of nudism." The reality is as Willy said most children raised to be nudists quit once they are in they go away to college. Nudisms bread and butter has always been the guests from age 30-75. But, know what? That is also the hotel industries target markets too as people in that age group have more income and more vacation time. Now many old fashioned rusticnudist clubs which required members to work are going out of business. But, new resorts like ours that can compete with the mainstream textile market are doing very well. We have the 2nd highest occupancy rate of ALL hotels in Palm Springs. Only the Indian casino hotel beats us as they give away free room nights to gamblers. Now the commitment to nudism as a lifestyle is waning. However the commitment to all clubs like Moose, Elks, etc is also on the decline. For that matter bowling leagues are on the decline, yet bowling in general is doing very well. AANR just had a survey done showing more people (10%) consider a nude vacation desirable. So nude vacationers is doing well, nude club members is not. The market is just changing along with the times. These days most people no longer consider themselves nudists. They just like vacationing in the nude. And if you ask most people, they will also say they do NOT want to go to nudist resorts that cater to families and kids. They don't want to be around naked kids. If you look around the world, the most successful nudist resorts are those that cater to couples not those that are kid friendly. If you have a quality place and have it at a fair price, your nudist resort will do well. MC https://sunnyfun.com The Terra Cotta Inn, palm Springs, CA
The bottom line is what counts.
What do you do about single men?
Damn, I wish I had not asked that question. The dead horse will be beaten over and over again on this thread.
ATTENTION: Single Men, go to the other thread, "Single Males, the victims of perversion!"
The single man problem is gone over and over and over and over.


Nicky, Nicky, Nicky - WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???


Seriously though - anyone who wants to discuss nudism and single males you can post hereor hereor hereor hereor even here. This thread is about Young Nudists and the next generation. As is this one: Recruit younger members.

Any chance we can stay on topic?

Jen

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cuddle you may regret asking that question but it is also on topic because a lot o Young nudist will also be single nudists and a goodly portion of them male.. so what is the answer when most nudist resorts are so UnFreindly to young men and in many cases even to the older boys that happen to be at a resort with thier parents. I don't claim to have an answer other than its self defeating mentality to expect young folks to be involved when they obviously are not welcomed by the vast majority .
I said it in anohter of the forums or perhaps this one,,,I the lifestyle is to grow and expand and encompass the younger folks the problems within the lifestyle itself need to be fixed so ALL nudists are welcome.
just a personal observation but i think the "lifestyle" is now abuot vacationers, money , money and money its not about nudism as a lifestyle,,,,,,,,,,that has probably returned more to the homes of the real nudists and thier friends. So perhaps the best place for the younger generation may be happening with in thier own groups, OUTside the typical resorts that they are not realy welcomed at

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cuddle you may regret asking that question but it is also on topic because a lot o Young nudist will also be single nudists and a goodly portion of them male.. so what is the answer when most nudist resorts are so UnFreindly to young men and in many cases even to the older boys that happen to be at a resort with thier parents. I don't claim to have an answer other than its self defeating mentality to expect young folks to be involved when they obviously are not welcomed by the vast majority . I said it in anohter of the forums or perhaps this one,,,I the lifestyle is to grow and expand and encompass the younger folks the problems within the lifestyle itself need to be fixed so ALL nudists are welcome. just a personal observation but i think the "lifestyle" is now abuot vacationers, money , money and money its not about nudism as a lifestyle,,,,,,,,,,that has probably returned more to the homes of the real nudists and thier friends. So perhaps the best place for the younger generation may be happening with in thier own groups, OUTside the typical resorts that they are not realy welcomed at

LOL...that is a vaild point trkr.

So my question to everyone is nudism REALLY on the decline? I don't think so. We've met (in person) several TrueNudists under the age of 30. It's really simple....think about it for a second. When you were in your early 20's, was your preference to go to a nudebeach/local swimming hole or to an "establishment" (i.e. club)? Did you have the cash flow for the day rates at a local club, how about enough to become a member? Were you even aware that nudist/naturist clubs/resorts existed? If you belong to a club...how old were you when you joined?

Jen

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I'm not sure it's necessarily on the decline. ( but I'm not sure of the reverse, either )
I know that growing up, I grew up 4 miles from Green Valley, but due to my parents attitude and such, didn't know it was there until this past December !
Oh, there were rumors of a nudist camp nearby, but no one apparently knew where.
On one occasion, I actually found it, but didn't know what it was exactly. Between the two, it remained a mystery until now that I live many more miles away.
I do believe a "student pass" or at least a severe discount for student ID's would help traffic, and probably generate future membership, but that's just me.

As to the single male question..... As I've said before, I'm personally finding it a non-issue, and don't quite understand where or why this horse keeps getting beaten.
As to kids.... Love 'em ! As a single male, or any male at all for that matter, I do get glanced askance sometimes, but with all the predatory perverts out there, and in the news, I understand it. So, again, it's a non-issue.
As to Nikola's comments above, we are a nation of laws here. So whether one wishes to argue whether children should be "protected" from getting undressed is irrelevant. The law is the law, and we MUST work within its constraints, or work to change it.
I neither argue that nudism is good, nor bad, but merely that it works for me, and I see no valid reason it couldn't work for you. Again, a non-issue.

I do agree with Will, though, that child-friendly LEGAL sites could be a good thing, and that the perverts haunting the net do far more damage than many realize.
Too many things become an "issue" only because too many make a very big deal out of nothing at all.

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After reading the latest posts from trkrbob1 and cuddlebutton, several ideas come to mind:

1) No one is born married or in a relationship. We have to meet our significant other. (And in the case of gay men, that significant other will probably not be a woman.) So young single men cant get in and young single women who do get in cant find any young single men to mingle with. Im sure there are good reasons for maintaining a balance between the sexes, but we are still giving the young men ample reason to drop out altogether.

2) Weve always had the need to be cleaner than anyone else. We are so fond of saying Nude is not lewd, and any number of similar slogans. And I agree with the underlying premise: When in mixed company, dont do anything while nude that you wouldnt do when clothed. It makes sense. However, I am also reminded of an article I read not long ago in Going Natural. The author, a woman of 18 who has been a naturist almost her entire life, warned that the next generation of naturists would approach naturism on its own terms, and after being exposed to the Spice Girls, Britney Spears, the Internet, music videos and whatnot, the next generation of naturism may not look much like ours did. For example, they will still not approve of sex in public per se, but they may be more tolerant of the couple they stumble upon outdoors who took reasonable steps to avoid being discovered, whereas someone of the previous generation might report the couple to authorities.

3) Society in general is not very tolerant of children. So many of our activities and events are not child-friendly, and may even be called adults only, even if everything taking place is G-rated. Children can become very conscious of this and, early on, decide to set themselves apart. So if the naturist locations are full of $!%?&* adults, they may decide to go elsewhere, even if they, too, are adults by then.

4) Many of us have come to naturism sort of like coming to an epiphany. We see beauty in the movement itself and wonder how others can be so blind to its inherent goodness. So many years later, we wonder why nudity, or at least female toplessness, is still not allowed at public beaches or city parks. Because its like an epiphany, adult naturists tend to remain naturists for life. Children who have grown up in the lifestyle may come to a totally different opinion. Some may just not have the same enthusiasm their parents had, and may even wonder Whats the attraction anyway?

Any thoughts?

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cuddle you may regret asking that question but it is also on topic because a lot o Young nudist will also be single nudists and a goodly portion of them male.. so what is the answer when most nudist resorts are so UnFreindly to young men and in many cases even to the older boys that happen to be at a resort with thier parents. I don't claim to have an answer other than its self defeating mentality to expect young folks to be involved when they obviously are not welcomed by the vast majority . I said it in anohter of the forums or perhaps this one,,,I the lifestyle is to grow and expand and encompass the younger folks the problems within the lifestyle itself need to be fixed so ALL nudists are welcome. just a personal observation but i think the "lifestyle" is now abuot vacationers, money , money and money its not about nudism as a lifestyle,,,,,,,,,,that has probably returned more to the homes of the real nudists and thier friends. So perhaps the best place for the younger generation may be happening with in thier own groups, OUTside the typical resorts that they are not realy welcomed at

LOL...that is a vaild point trkr.

So my question to everyone is nudism REALLY on the decline? I don't think so. We've met (in person) several TrueNudists under the age of 30. It's really simple....think about it for a second. When you were in your early 20's, was your preference to go to a nudebeach/local swimming hole or to an "establishment" (i.e. club)? Did you have the cash flow for the day rates at a local club, how about enough to become a member? Were you even aware that nudist/naturist clubs/resorts existed? If you belong to a club...how old were you when you joined?

Jen

I agree with Jen about meeting a lot of people in person under the age of 30, so far none from here. I met them at the nude beach I go to, some that I have spoken to expressed their preference with a beach to a resort. One young couple thought they wouldn't be counted in skinni dip record because the non landed club they belonged to suddenly changed the location to a resort and they couldn't afford the day fees for the resort.
Thomas

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Thanks, Nicky. The AANR membership stats are interesting. Would love to know if they've been updated. Also the article on Paradise Lakes is interesting as well.

I seem to remember hearing somewhere, that Caliente is involved in all sorts of lawsuits, because the residents who bought property there did so with the written understanding that it was a "family friendly" nudist community, and were not happy with managements change of policy regarding swinging and swapping. Does this ring any bells with any one? Does anyone have any more information on the Caliente issue?

Jen

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