Jehoram, I think youve just given a very incisive analysis of where naturism is at in 2020.
Im 53 and, while I see the importance of national naturist associations and organisations such as the INF etc, I think your description of the newer, less structured naturism describes me best ( despite my vintage! ). With delight weve learned much from our teenage sons whose generation is in so many ways more enlightened than our own. In fact theyre a wonderful generation! Old-fashioned attitudes that dominate too much naturist discourse ( not least here in Truenudists ) are alien to them, and theyre bright enough and confident enough to respectfully but uncompromisingly reject them.
Frequently we see mention of the so-called greying of naturism but seldom in such discussions do we get realisation of the obvious truths elucidated in Jehorams reply above. The younger generations havent rejected body freedom or lost natural appreciation for the joys of shared nudity. They have however voted with their feet ( and all of their bodies! LOL ) in response to outdated attitudes to nudity, gender, sex and sexuality which many older ( and usually well-intentioned ) naturists are convinced are necessary if one is to be described as a real naturist / nudist. These self-appointed arbiters of naturist sincerity, with their sometimes over-zealous fixation with distancing naturism from sex, need to be put out to grass. Theyre inadvertently alienating younger naturists. ( Im reminded of Oscar Wildes line .. Every man kills the thing he most loves - for example the amateur musician.. (Re punctuation : Apologies - on iOS quotation marks, apostrophes etc are sometimes deleted here ) Can the same be said of some of us middle-aged and older naturists? Is the so-called greying of naturism more to do with old attitudes than old people in clubs etc?
Naturist clubs wont survive if the people running them dont wake up and smell the coffee. And frankly, if they dont change they wont deserve to survive! Clubs or resorts have to be places where young people and their energy is welcomed and celebrated... a place where kids can make noise, music can be ( too ) loud and couples can show affection to each other without disapproval from moral mafias.
Jehoram mentions a thread on what to do about erections. There are many such discussions on this site, many replies which are gratuitously negative, and many others which, with the best intentions, suggest ways to cover up or hide erections. But, in my opinion, thats advice that comes from very outdated attitudes to masculinity and sexuality. In the real world an erection is only a problem if the man attached to it is a problem. Ive seen nearby naturists smile when they see an erection and Ive never seen negative reactions on beaches etc unless the erection is attached to a man whose behaviour is offensive.
Theres a thing called the internet - unless youve been living under a rock you realise that younger generations use it all the time and openly use it for viewing sex and sexual images etc. Thats not something of which theyre ashamed. Its considered normal. So the sight of an erection isnt a big deal and neither is sex! Theyre generally sexually more knowledgeable, hygienic ( and even more skilled! ) than previous generations, and theyre certainly a lot more relaxed and liberal about sex. These facts affect the naturist world as much as the rest of society, and outdated bigotry of the type that offers membership only to male / female couples and single women wont be tolerated any longer! The young heterosexual couples of which the clubs might approve wont want to be members of a club where their single male/ LGBTQ+ friends arent equally welcome.
The future for naturism is, I believe, bright, less dogmatic, and even better than the past which some of us cant seem to let die.
I'm amazed at the longevity of this thread along with all of its tangents. Perhaps we're all missing the point. Maybe the real issue here is if there is a sexual side to textilism with the immediate follow up of ...and why should nudists care?
Maybe the real issue here is if there is a sexual side to textilism with the immediate follow up of ...and why should nudists care?
Interesting points. Regarding the first, there certainly is a sexual side to textilism, in that clothes can be designed to exaggerate, and call attention to, body parts to increase the sexual impact. Think of push-up bras, skirts with slit legs, tight-fitting T shirts, elegantly tailored suits. Take all these away, and the sexuality drains away.
I found myself looking at a very attractive woman the other day. (Yes, I tried to be a gentleman about it, and not a jerk.) And I asked myself, would she be more attractive if she had her clothes off? Once I thought about it, I decided that she would be. Not because she was naked, but because she was so open with herself and happy with her body that she would share the sight of it with me. She would make me feel over-dressed. If she were openly flirting with me, my response would be sexual, but that would have nothing to do with whether she was clothed or not.
Why should nudists care? The only reason I can think of is because we are coming from a culture where it's important. And we have to acknowledge that people are taking the attitudes of that culture with them when they come to us, and that it's going to influence their behavior. It's our job to teach by example.
These facts affect the naturist world as much as the rest of society, and outdated bigotry of the type that offers membership only to male / female couples and single women wont be tolerated any longer! The young heterosexual couples of which the clubs might approve wont want to be members of a club where their single male/ LGBTQ+ friends arent equally welcome.The future for naturism is, I believe, bright, less dogmatic, and even better than the past which some of us cant seem to let die.
Gosh, I hope so. Not to put down the clubs and resorts and all that, but things will be better for them, and for us, if attitudes loosen up a little. But young people and non-affiliated people are going to keep on doing what they do, whether the clubs are there or not. I guess we need to prove to those clubs and groups that we're not sex-starved lunatics who want to go around waving their private parts in other people's faces. We're just guys who have a boner every once in a great while and don't want to make a big thing of it. (Pun totally intentional.)
There's not going to be a definitive yes or no. Just lots of personal views. Personally I would not like to see overt sexual behaviour in public. From the very little I Know of the naturist movement. its been fighting the stigma of pervert for ages. From some of the material posted on this site I'd have to say yes unfortunately.
From the very little I Know of the naturist movement. its been fighting the stigma of pervert for ages. From some of the material posted on this site I'd have to say yes unfortunately.
It's a problem, all right. When you come from a culture where nudity is confined to bathing and sex, anybody seeking to be nude in any other context must be a pervert, right? But we're trying to build a different culture now. which doesn't equate nudity with sexuality. But we have a long way to go. Some of the porn sites I've visited list "nudity" as a sexual fetish right up there with exhibitionism and voyeurism (not to mention other stuff that freaks me out). Until that attitude changes, it will be an uphill battle.
For me i can enjoy the freedom of being comfortable around others without clothing and love it. But i must say when have not been with anyone for a couple years and the fact i find the woman figure extremely beautiful unless i put the idea of attraction put off kind in aspectsof my life for months at a time it can get difficult to keep all arrousal at bay when i am nude and a female seems interested in me even slightly my body exaggerates it. But if erections are something many can overlook they do go away and the mind can gain more control over such things.
it can get difficult to keep all arrousal at bay when i am nude and a female seems interested in me even slightly my body exaggerates it.
That's classic Pavlovian conditioning, brought on by the media's equating nudity with sex. They show you nudity and link it with sex, and only with sex until you can't see one thing without thinking about the other. They've done it from the moment you became aware of the media. But, like any conditioning, it wears off when you see nudity in other contexts besides sex, just as conditioning fades when the stimulus/response link is broken.