Nudity and arousal
Of course, nudism has nothing to do with sex or arousal and so on and so forth. Yes, I know this lesson.
But what happens in real life? Most guys here are also on RS, where nudity is mixed with sexual intentions. So I do think there is slight correlation between nudity and arousal. Not always, not for all, but it's there. How does it work? I have no statistics at hand, these are just my (probably flawed) observations after a decade of nudism.
Many, if not most guys, avoid social nudity because they are afraid that they would get visibly aroused, which is a no-no in most nudist settings. But they soon realise that getting an erection is not really that easy in a social gathering. If I leave aside places like the Bay of Pigs where erections are very much welcome, appreciated and celebrated, I only remember a couple of guys flaunting a clearly voluntary erection on some wild beach (you know them, the kind who push their hips forward and put their hands on the hips while "admiring the scenery" and a couple who were hiding a hard on. That's it. Thousands of guys and a couple of accidental erections, not a big deal if you do at least some token gesture to hide it.
But do guys, despite showing no visible sign of arousal, have erotic thoughts when seeing sexy nude women? I think that many, if not most do. I know D often has them. Not all men and not all the time, mind you. After say one month spent in a nudist resort, when your wife has more than satisfied you every day or so, I suspect that most of you will look at sexy young women just like you look at the sea in front of you - appreciating the beauty, nothing more.
However, go on the same beach after six months or a year in which you have only seen your woman (and most likely lots of internet models) naked, undress, lay down and see that beautiful woman coming close, laying her towel close to yours and starting to take her kit off and I am sure that most of you will feel all funny inside. And yes, you'll imagine doing stuff with her. Don't lie to me, I'm sure you will.
What about me? I don't know if I am like a majority of women (I think I am), but I neither get visibly aroused nor do I have erotic thoughts when on a nudist beach or in a nudist resort. I look mostly at other women - and I am a bit bi (I like women, but most of my erotic dreams and thoughts are about men), but I don't imagine myself doing stuff with them. Even less so with guys. I may occasionally look at a guy who has a remarkable shape (and there are very few of them), I do look at their male bits because they are there and rare to see, but I guess I am too sapiosexual to ever have erotic thoughts about it.
As for showing myself nude, I think it's very similar to being dressed sexily for a club, a party or even an evening out. I like to feel elegant so attractive, I don't mind being admired, on the contrary, I like it, and I also admire other ladies, so this doesn't change much if I dress up or dress down. Of course, when naked the amount of elegance goes down - some jewellery, nice sun glasses, nice slippers and a bit of make up, but the principle is the same. And no, I normally neither get aroused nor do I have erotic thoughts just because guys can see me in my birthday suit.
Things change for me when modelling but they don't seem to change much for guys. It would take a lot to want to shoot a guy for esthetic purposes. I did it a few times and tried to get nice pics, used light in the most complimentary way possible, but it was not so much because I wanted to immortalise their beauty but because their girlfriends had asked me to.
So guys in my pics are more props for erotica, where the lady is the main subject. And as a prop, being visibly aroused is a plus. A must in some cases. And you know what? Most have quite a hard time to get it up. I'm sure they have erotic ideas in their mind but need quite some time, some effort and sometimes even some help to become photogenic for erotica.
I am the opposite. I can't say that I have erotic ideas about the photographer but do I get visibly aroused. It's more of a physical reaction, the intimacy of nude modelling, plus I am a bit submissive so I guess having a guy (or even a girl) giving me orders while I'm exposed and vulnerable makes an effect on me. I don't get excessively wet or as swollen as Jeanne gets, but it may still be noticeable.
It's even worse with open leg pics. When the photographer asks me to spread them apart I have a moment of hesitation and I feel my cheeks on fire. Not because I am too shy to show "it", but I know where the focus will be, I know I can't hide my arousal any longer, it will be put there in full display, I know the photographer will imagine things and this makes me even wetter and "showing pink" at smaller thigh angles. I think shame and arousal have very close receptors in our brain so this is why we often turn one into the other.
And I'm not the only one in this situation. V gets so wet she needs to use napkins every few minutes. And most of my girlfriends get visibly aroused during modelling although most say that, just like me, they don't have conscious erotic thoughts at those moments. Only a couple admit that yes, they do imagine things with the photographer or the male talent.
So here you have it. If you see my pics on TS and think that I am aroused. I most likely am. Although I am sure that you wouldn't guess with more than random success in which of the pics I post I am the model and in which I am not. Most of my models are blonde and I mostly upload pics of ladies with C cups.
Great you're posting topics Flora.
I spent quite some time on a nudist beach near Biarritz recently, and as you say not I nor any of my male counterparts had an erection while on the beach.
There were many beautiful ladies nude and in bikinis on the beach so lots to get the imagination going.
So no arousal in that social setting.
There was a very particular situation at the beach though... none of the ladies (or men) were indicating any sexual desire towards any of the menfolk.
So, i know for me, my own arousal is very often triggered by the arousal of another towards me (or sometimes towards someone else) without the trigger, for me, i remain social and unaroused.
Great seeing your name again on a subject for a thread.
Wish I was a nudist when I was in my teens or twenties, but I wasnt. Never knew there were social events that I could have attended. Back at that age the erection just happened with out worrying. Lol. Back then I did have that desired body and girls would look at me longer. But heres an idea. At that age we all had a natural tendency to look for a mate. Men and women all have that need, but then we age and that need is not that important anymore. So now I dont just pop up at any moment. Now I almost need to add some manual stimulation to get there.
I have done two modeling sessions. First one I stimulated myself to get an erection for the camera. The next time was a run way shot and I had stroked to get the look. But what surprised me was walking out for the cameras and how fast I changed back to flaccid. Now during social events I was not as sure I ever had an erection in view of others that I created myself. I did when someone showed interest in me sexually. Which happened at the bar when I was away from my group. Then I couldnt walk back to them erect for no reason that they knew.
But in reality having an erection should not be a bad thing. Its really very natural for men and women to get aroused seeing each other free from clothes. I wonder when posing for a photographer and asked to open up for the most revealing poses, that its very natural to be aroused. Its more of a way for our bodies to prepare for a sexual activity. Men get erection and women lubricant and open up more. But then we are not photographed all the time. So being aroused is a response to events happening.
If I may jump in on this subject, I agree with Jim an erection should not be considered a bad thing. The fact that it is falls in with the prevailing attitude society has on nudity and sexuality in my opinion. Assigning a good or bad connotation to it mis-characterizes what is a non-event. A female friend of mind told me that she would no longer go to a nearby hot springs because another patron brought her teenage sons with her and they couldn't help looking at my friend and her two companions and had erections, so my friend having been raised as she was, was put off by these boys, she was self-conscious over their attention but if she understood what it is like to be a young man in this situation would she feel that way? Or could she have found humor or flattery in it? I imagine that other women might have been amused by it and not disparaging. Perhaps their mother was that kind of person. But I would bet they are better adjusted men now for having had the experience as opposed to those who are looking at women through the repressed eyes of conservativism and porn that keeps women's humanity at a distance.
The issue of erections in a nudist context must be one of the most covered ones on TN. This and driving naked. And I also contributed to it extensively on the past. There are in fact two different topics: how things should be and how you should act as long as things are what they are.
But I was honestly more interested in the question or mental stimulation. Richie says that he is stimulated if a lady shows interest in him. That's a tall order! What about other guys. When you see a very sexy naked lady on a beach, even though your pride and joy remains securely asleep, is your breathing getting a bit heavier? Do you imagine things? Do you feel like touching yourself (while refraining of course)?
Although my visits to nude ocean beaches still remains at '0' ... I do think that attractive ladies 'checking me out' would most likely stimulate sexual arousal on my part. It's just part of the deal being a man. The only question would be of how much sexual arousal I would exhibit. As I'm currently staring 70 years old ... my parts don't work as well as I would like. That said, I do think I would get a definite 'tingle' out of the attention and most certainly enjoy it. Who doesn't enjoy having others look at your body in an admiring fashion? Just don't go off the deep end. LOL
Tall order that anyone would show interest? Of course you're right that's never happened
Ah the straw man... You mentioned arousal and sexual desire, not interest. John mentions being checked out. I think these are all different. I do check out men on a nudist beach - for the polite 2-3 seconds but I don't think this means showing interest. I may show interest for a men who tells something which strikes me as smart, original or interesting - but this is not arousal or sexual desire.
So yes, it's a tall order to wait for a woman to show sexual desire for you before feeling any sexual desire yourself. I -and most women- are used for men to show interest in us, not the other way round. Of course, sexual interest but not really a visible one (erection). When a woman shows sexual desire for a man it means it's in the pocket and he can just lazily pick that low ripe fruit. But that must be exceptional - in particular among naked people who don't know each other.
Now my question was not entirely candid (and I expected that guys will bring back the issue of acceptability of erections). I kind of expected answers like John's (being checked out by a sexy woman brings some erotic feelings), but not like Richie's (I only get aroused if a woman shows sexual desire). And I tried to make a clear distinction between visible arousal (erection and mental one (erotic thoughts or feelings)
Why? Because most men here are more on the exhibitionist than on the voyeur side. We did this test, we know this for a fact. Yet, in my experience most nudist men are the opposite. On a beach, they will lay on a towel checking out all women around. In Sinsheim, they will spend hours in the pool, looking at all those women who go up and down the pool stairs. So why the difference?
I think that's because a nudist site will appeal more to exhibitionists than to voyeurs. There are many sites where you can see lovely naked women but few where you can show your less lovely naked self.
I'll take D as an example. He is a voyeur and not at all an exhibitionist. He would much prefer to be the only one dressed than the only one naked in a group of women. In Sinsheim, he'll make sure to get a good eyeful of every single naked young lady. He created the first account here but got bored after a while and left. He saw that we will never meet people irl, and too few women post their pics here. And if he wants to see internet models he can do it without bothering to socialise. Or if he prefers to see ladies whom he knows, he has access to all the pics I take - and I shot more of a dozen of my girlfriends naked. And they are ok with this, in fact, as they know that he has more patience than me they often ask him to do some touch ups to their pics. He also only uses a free ap, but he is better than me and always ready to help. Diane asked him to add her inverted nipple, Vero to shorten her inner lips, Patricia who is a brunette to make her outer lips less dark and to eliminate any pubis stubble and most ask him to make them look slimmer and with longer legs. And he happily discusses the issues, touches the pics up and the ladies are happy with this and come back for another photo session. I often see him working consciously on a huge image of a pussy (we do have a very big screen), while discussing the option with the owner of the pussy, who is sat next to him. And yes, I think he enjoys it.
I'm not sure there is really a difference between being at a nudist/naturist location and being anywhere else in a sense because if you see attractive people, you are simply seeing them. I see attractive women every time I go out but "erotic thoughts" is a long way to go even if they are nude. Mutual attraction, "chemistry" or a titillating interaction or scenario is more likely going to be what brings an erection, they are often unintentional / incidental. That is why I think they should be seen as just part of life. Seen but not seen. One can say that nudity is nothing to do with sex and that is true but that doesn't mean nudists are not sexual and being open minded enough to go against the status quo they might be swingers too.
I would dare hope that context does make a difference. I was never a stripper but still, as a former competitive dancer (with some modest success, if I can say this myself), I would hope that seeing me stripping or simply dancing naked would make more of an impression than seeing me laying on a beach or slouching in a chair. The whole idea of this group was that even nude, we still like to feel elegant, aka attractive. Not necessarily to elicit more than some esthetic pleasure in the viewer but nude, dressed or half dressed we still remain women. Nude or with a swimsuit, I wear a bit of makeup and perfume, I own nice shades and hats, I even sometimes wear slippers with a bit of heels (yes, I know that I am too tall already, but they make me have a good posture) etc.
And again I was not speaking about your almighty and all-important erections. I am sure that guys can have erotic thoughts without erections, not clear about the opposite. Maybe at 16 you can, although I was told that 16 yo guys eroticize everything and masturbate 5 times a day. But I suspect that at 60 you do have erotic thoughts without erections. As simple as wanting to touch those nice boobs to feel their texture and density, to put sunscreen on that lovely butt or to help soaping that woman under the shower. These are all erotic thoughts which I would guess you do have (without external signs of arousal).
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