pI am sure there are many posts on this but I feel I need to express my opinion as well./ppI do not know why actual nudist would not seek certification, I think this site needs to be more restrictive to non certified people. /ppI understand the people who are worried or have just cause to ensure privacy, and although there are never any guarentees, this is one of the best sites for security, and the options as to who sees or does not see any photos that you post./ppI find it frustrating to have people who have not even met the minimum of one photo, let alone certification, and they can cruze around and participate in chats and forums, without so much as any consideration for those who are, IMHO TRUE NUDIST./ppI know this sounds a bit hypocritical, but I only consider certified people as nudists, the rests are just here to surf through and have probably never even tried it./ppAs for those who are seeking cert and have not yet acomplished it, well perhaps there can be a pending indication./ppI do not buy into the "I submitted the pic and it has been weeks. I suggest to you that either you did not submit the right photos or it is a convienent excuse that you will ride until it stops working for you./ppMuscle up get certified, and as for this site, start truly restricting non cert members to encourage more real nudists./p
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- MIMitgliedJul 7, 2011
Well, Rabbitnbunny, it is a load of rubbish, and for one simple reason, Certification has to do, and only to do, with identification. It says absolutely nothing about the Certified member being a nudist or believing in any nudist philosophy. It is one of the great misconceptions of this site, that Certified members are truenudists. And this misconception is used by some masquarading as Certified members to have their fun in the chats, preying upon new members. I have argued in the past that any Certified member flagged and that flagging found warranted, be banned from the site. Yet you and I know there are many examples of Certified members fluanting their non-nudist lifestyles, inappropriate photos and the like, flagged and flagged again by other Certified members and yet here they remain.
ReagierenAntworten - MIMitgliedUrsprünglicher VerfasserJul 8, 2011
I think the essence of my message may have been lost, in this time of many people who are not who they say they are, certification helps keep people a bit more honest. I said nothing about photos, or specifically nude photos, other than the one you submit, which btw if you are holding the sign in the right place and you are nude nothing much has to show. You can scenery picutures for all I care. Becaue you signed a morality clause, and you are restricted from doing certain things does not make that the norm, it make you one of the ffew who may have this issue. The point is, I think that to encourage people to sstand up and say this is me, this site should be much more restrictive to thos who are not certified.
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Jul 8, 2011[quote]Secondly where is the site owner's pic? I don't believe there is one. So if this person believes so strongly that "certified" nudists should have a pic then why don't we see one of him or her?[/quote] Fact is, TT1 does have photos in the "member" profile, not the TT1 administrative profile, but you'd have to know who it is to know who it is. TT1 has chosen to remain essentially anonymous, and I'm not gonna "out" anyone without their advance approval. I only post at all to say that TT1 has put money where his mouth is, so to speak.ReagierenAntworten - EV
Jul 8, 2011Hey guess what, we all have cert pictures here to, just can't tell ya the name. Ask TT1 next time ya see him. Please. To say this system isn't prefect is putting it mildly. It would not be hard to make it better, or even have different levels of certification, so the question still is, why don't the certified members what it, why do they keep avoiding the issue? Why encourage more to do it, and give some of those that don't such a hard time? WE all should work together to make this place a little more secure, if not, change the status to "person who sent in Pictures" not " True Nudist".
There are many good Honest nudists here that would offer to help to make this a better place, perfect, no, but much better. I wonder how many software people are here, if not willing to do the work, at least they may be able to offer suggestions on what is possible. I believe there are many more who would become paid members, and certified, if it meant something. Here are a few quick thoughts just off the top of my head.
Level 1 certification - one on one with a mod. Better yet, one on one with two different mods. That may take a few chat room sessions, but more then possible.Level 2 - complete level one + have a membership in a group or club such as aanr. I'm sure even europe has organized groups. Yes, it does have a cost, but so do most groups.
Level 3 - completed level one and two, and have met with another lever 3 user or a mod face to face. If listed as a couple, both must be part of the meet up. This is harder to do, but not impossible, it can be done in two steps. First have a level three user in every state, one who has been verified and can be trusted. It should not be hard to find one in every state, it would only take time to get one in all the areas we have members, but it could be done, little to no cost other then time.
Those are just quick thoughts, any other thoughts are welcome, lets not aruge, let move forward to make this place safer, and more honest.
ReagierenAntworten - MIMitgliedUrsprünglicher VerfasserJul 10, 2011
Just curious, but where is all the research about the certified people who are fakes and fake pics and all the rest that is being spouted by the no pic no profile person. Like was said earlier, the Cert adds some legitimacy to the profile, and indicates that the person is willing to join the site as it was meant to be. I will state again that it is time that TN restricted the non certs to very limited access, especially pic viewing, chat and forums, these should be a priveledge not the right of pic trollers or trouble makers. There should be enough access to allow the unsure enough visiblity to understand what the site is about and then they can make the informed decision to either get cert and continue or not, fairly simple IMO.
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Jul 10, 2011Champion, it seems to me that it is you who needs to do the research, so that you know what you are talking about. If you did minimal research on here you would find that the certification photos are entirely independant of the photos which are in a persons profile. The certification photos are not posted to the person's profile unless they choose to do that.
Also on your allegation of NIM being irrelevant; I would suggest you take a couple of steps back and view the situation as a newcomer would. Who would you believe more "relevant" - the person who has been a member for sometime and participates FULLY in the site; or someone who has been a member for a couple of months and whose only purpose on the site seems to be to sniping at other members and general trolling? If you are as unhappy with the site as you seem to make out why stay?ReagierenAntworten - WEJul 11, 2011
As sugggested if you do not like the site LEAVE it is as simple as that.
ReagierenAntworten - MIMitgliedUrsprünglicher VerfasserJul 11, 2011
Champion, you spout all kinds of attackes and slurs to others who post their opinion, your ignorance is obvious when your only recourse is to attack people personally. It is unfortunate that you are unable to debate a topic without the childish comments. I fell sorry for you that you have such a dim view of the people here and perhaps all around you. Good luck.
You are a prime example of what the heart of this topic is, restricting people who are just here to troll and add no value to the site.Cheers
ReagierenAntworten - CUJul 11, 2011[quote]2.) Certified and Welcoming- Based on all that I have seen and read, these are the True Nudists. They are accomodating and engaging. They enjoy the site for the most part the way it is, appreciate the fact that they can be certified without restriction, and as certified members they enjoy rightly deserved additional privileges. They understand the concerns of non-certified members.[/quote] Just one correction. Certification gains nothing at all as far as additional privileges, deserved or not.ReagierenAntworten
- EVJul 11, 2011
Why is so much time wasted here in this Forum on pointing fingers and name calling. Here is the way it looks to me, we have some older certified members, in saying older I'm only refering to time on the site, who like think the cert process is perfect and look down upon members who don't believe it is. Many times with name calling. My question to them is why do they fear making the process harder? They don't want to do anything more than what they have done already. Well, isn't that what they saying about the non cert members, that they are unwilling to do more than they have to? I have yet so see anyone on here offer any Ideas on how to make it better. A way for people to get certified with out sending pictures to someone they don't know, or see, with a promise that no one will ever see them. Instead of name calling, can't we all work together to come up with other ways, ways that may work for more and make certification mean something? The certified members who don't want to change are just as bad as anyone on the other side of the debate. Let's stop all the name calling and talk and work together. Champion, what would you be willing to do to get certified? Nude in Ma, why would be acceptable to you? This site has many excellent members, real honest nudists, some certified some not, would not our time be better spent bring all these great members together rather the creating a larger divide?
ReagierenAntworten - MIMitgliedUrsprünglicher VerfasserJul 11, 2011
Thanks nude, as for the fear of people seeing the pictures, I find it funny to see a non Cert profile and there plenty of photos of the person(s) clothed nude or what ever, but they still do not send in for Cert. The point of this thread was to give Cert members priviledge, and deny access to some of the things to encourage Certification. For those who do not upload pics at all, well that is thier choice, I am sorry for those who for employment reasons or any other such reason is unable to get Cert. It does take all kinds to make this site continue to be interesting and fun. But I always assumed when I joined, that the non cert membership was to be a temperary one until you decided to trust, like want to continue, to use this site. Not a way to sit in the shadows and call people names for thier opinions.
Quite simply all I wished to see in this thread was different peoples point of views, and not this is it, and if you do not like it then you are less of a person, these types of arguements from some members further my cause to have to certified to be able to stand up for your opinions like normal person in society.ReagierenAntworten - CUJul 11, 2011[quote][quote][/quote]Curt, All due respect my friend, I think certified gets greater access to profile info and has the "certified only" forums. I would guess that TT1 & 2 give higher levels of credibility to the thoughts in those threads.[/quote] I'd forgotten about the certified forums. The only other thing, would be photo's marked for certified only. ( if there are any ) Other than that, nada. Profile info is available to anyone, except profiles marked private, which are not available to anyone except those on that person's friend list, whether or not they are certified.ReagierenAntworten
- EVJul 11, 2011
I agree there is not fool proof system that would keep all the bad apples away, nothing is fool proof or perfect. However, I do feel there are betters ways then the present one, and perhaps also ways for some who some very valid reasons do not wish to post nude photos. Different levels of certification maybe. How about for those who who live to far from a resort of beach or are unable to afford a membership in AANR or TNS, they can get still use this method, but change it for reading they are a certified nudist to only stating they sent in pictures as a way to prove they are who they say. That could be a level one certification, just as the forum has different levels, from textile to super, we could have a that for the cert process.
Adding another method for those who can't, or don't wish to do that, should not be that hard for the level headed people we have on this site.
The idea is not to exclude people, only to thin out a few more of the bad ones and to gain a few more of the good ones. That is the my thoughts on providing another method to become a level 1 certified member.
The idea behind having different levels, well, the higher the level, the harder it will be for "Bad Apples" to gain trust of the newer members. How to accomplish that. well i wish there was an easy answer, but like many things in life, with enough people caring and wanting to improve and willing to put some effort in, it can be done. Perfect ? No, but better, yes.
As to pictures taken at a resort, I agree, they do that to protect privacy of people attending, but if someone doesn't want there picture taken at a resort would they not be reluctant to send in a photo relying on trust alone. Would they be fine with the person at the resort telling them not to worry that they will edit them out at home? I sense they would be uncomfortable with either.
Rule one of the internet, what goes on the web, stays on the web, a promise that no one will see it and that it is destroyed does not bring comfort to some, closed site or not. For those with something to risk, it's hard to forget that rule.Beach photos, sure, many have been taken, and while no one may have said anything, I don't know if someone inquired what snuggles was doing with a camera or not, you can bet he did draw the attention of some. Once spotted, perhaps they noticed care was being taken not to include strangers in background and chose not to say anything, but you can bet at least a few people there not in the TN group noticed and watched.
ReagierenAntworten - MIMitgliedUrsprünglicher VerfasserJul 23, 2011
Well Said
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