I think you got the point of the video and the what keeps getting missed because we seem to lack the capacity to have reasoned conversations.
The point is this - how a person first encounters naturism impacts what they perceive it to be and how they view naturist behavior. Since we are in a time where many if not most people first encounter naturism on the internet the distorted views on the net generate distorted behavior.
I first explored naturism through the internet. Most all the groups and website were focused on pics and photos looking not doing as the video suggests. When I got to experience naturism I real life it was so different. There was very little looking and lots of thing to be doing. Turns out online naturism is not the same as naturism in real life.
We now live in age where online is perceived to be as real as real life. Yet everyday we hear about online influencers who are just personas and not expressions of real people. Sadly the human need for belonging often leads us to accept the reflection of belonging instead of actual belonging. High levels of social media connection and low levels of belonging. True in broader society and true in naturism.If you come to naturism through the internet then you bring your own preconceptions of what it is and anyone who tells you that those preconceptions are wrong you get to call a dinosaur or troll and demand they change naturist principles to suit them and their particular kinks. I dont see how this is ever going to change.The only advice I can offer to the internet naturist, is go to a beach, see what its like. Youll either love it or get so board with the lack of sexual activity that youll go and find something else to do.
This thread illustrates exactly what the image problem with nudism is. Everyone on it myself included is part of a group of aging western European extracted males. Fundamentally we have more in common in holding a set of standards and decent behavior while naked in social and public than what differentiates us.... Meanwhile, younger adults find safety in numbers on their own naked terms. They are unlikely to call themselves nudists nor do they seek our true nudism approval. Talk with those younger adults and.. .
Look up my Forum posts and my Blogs - am saying the exact same thing.
The face of our community needs to change to a more diverse and inclusive face otherwise it will in its current form die out.
Get Naked Australia seems to have a healthier approach to inclusion. A seemingly greater female participation too.
The face of our community needs to change to a more diverse and inclusive face otherwise it will in its current form die out..
In 5 weeks, we will, once again be on holiday at a naturist village in Spain. Anyone can book a stay there. There are no exclusions.
What more needs to be done so that it doesnt die out?
A very good watch. I was worried it was going to go into strawman territory talking about what nudist believes, nudist philosophy. I run with a group or two that really gets into the weeds with their own philosophy to the point there is massive infighting and has fractured whole communities. I see that with nudism too. The over arching theme that there is an image problem though is very true. Depending on the person even a pair of breasts upsets some people even though they are not sexual in nature. I mean sure I quite enjoy them and don't quite know why, but biologically speaking they are not sexual.
Then you get to places like this which I think started with good intentions. However, look around in chat and you see little clique groups. You also get massive hypocrisy from others while single lonely men are just being pushy bastards. Not all the single men are terrible, but the old adage is "one bad apple spoils the bunch". That is because that bad apple is going through a chemical change that does affect the rest of them. So, that bad image problem can turn a good single guy into a not so good single guy.
What is the solution then? Education, exposure, people to actually come forward with who and what they are. It's funny that nudists seem to have an exposure issue, but there really are no primary outlets that are willing to take the issue of nudism seriously. I was in a discussion group where a bunch of textiles were talking with a nudist and she was wearing a tube top. So at first it looked like she wasn't wearing anything. She then shifted in her seat and you could clearly see she was wearing something and the host commented saying he was glad she was wearing something. Most of the people in that group agreed. I mean how messed up is it if you are having a discussion with others about a subject, but you couldn't even present it while being naked? I get her choice, I get their relief, but come on!
Now we are seeing younger people move away from nudism because they are so career focused and they are terrified that if their image got out to their boss that they would be done forever and could no longer enjoy any kind of lifestyle. It makes me sick and is one of the reasons I tend to be a bit more open about who and what I am. Both as a nudist, but also as someone who does enjoy the more fun sides. I just know that there is a time and a place. I think I rambled a bit at this point so if you got this far thanks for reading and I am going to consider deleting this entire post lol.
nuddycouple wrote:What is the solution then? Education, exposure, people to actually come forward with who and what they are. It's funny that nudists seem to have an exposure issue, but there really are no primary outlets that are willing to take the issue of nudism seriously. I was in a discussion group where a bunch of textiles were talking with a nudist and she was wearing a tube top. So at first it looked like she wasn't wearing anything. She then shifted in her seat and you could clearly see she was wearing something and the host commented saying he was glad she was wearing something. Most of the people in that group agreed. I mean how messed up is it if you are having a discussion with others about a subject, but you couldn't even present it while being naked? I get her choice, I get their relief, but come on!
I sent a proposal to the organizers of an Earth Day festival held in our city every year. The proposal was that our local naturist non-landed group have a booth where we could explain who we were, and hand out literature. We would be clothed, because the venue didn't allow nudity. But that was a concession we were willing to make, because the main thing was to get the message out that we were there, and that there were opportunities for people to be socially naked in our area. I don't know yet if they will accept our presence, but we figure that at least it's worth a try.
The membership people for our group say that they're getting the best response for recruitment from Meetup, an online site that tries to match groups and activities with interested people. And our local free paper (which is no longer being distributed in print form, unfortunately) used to give a shout-out to our local nude resort every summer.
If people don't have some reason to believe otherwise, they'll go with the current judgement of society about who we are: exhibitionists who want to flaunt our naked bodies and corrupt little children. The only cure for that, as you said, is education and exposure.
Yes, nudism does have an image problem. People are of the belief that nudism is all about sex and orgies, And who is to blame? The internet for one, try entering nudist sites in the search and see how many porn sites come up. Even True Nudists is being infiltrated by pouting young scantily clad women trying to get you to go to their site to get your money. They send friend requests and there is no end to men accepting them. Now let's get to the men. There are men who troll sites, including this one just looking for naked women to chat and cam with, just look at the number of men in the chat room on cam, then look at the women, very few if any at all. Most women will not chat for fear of being trolled or inundated with calls from men to get on cam. Unless this is fixed, and don't ask me how then this site is doomed to go the way of other sites that are more of a perverts paradise.
I sent a proposal to the organizers of an Earth Day festival held in our city every year. The proposal was that our local naturist non-landed group have a booth where we could explain who we were, and hand out literature. The membership people for our group say that they're getting the best response for recruitment from Meetup, an online site that tries to match groups and activities with interested people.
These are great "sane" ways of locally promoting nudism. I also think it's important to draw younger people with activities that can be done naked such as swimming and bike rides. It takes the stress away from forced social interactions to just another way to exercise and mingle. Good luck on your proposal!
I am in the minority but I think the approach you describe is the best one. There just arent enough of us doing it to change the public perception that we are just naked pervs. That is what they see online though in real life things are different.I sent a proposal to the organizers of an Earth Day festival held in our city every year. The proposal was that our local naturist non-landed group have a booth where we could explain who we were, and hand out literature. We would be clothed, because the venue didn't allow nudity. But that was a concession we were willing to make, because the main thing was to get the message out that we were there, and that there were opportunities for people to be socially naked in our area. I don't know yet if they will accept our presence, but we figure that at least it's worth a try.The membership people for our group say that they're getting the best response for recruitment from Meetup, an online site that tries to match groups and activities with interested people. And our local free paper (which is no longer being distributed in print form, unfortunately) used to give a shout-out to our local nude resort every summer..
You make a good point about the online spaces. I keep saying online is different for real life. Doesnt mean there arent creeps just that there is a much more direct way of handling them in person.
Would be curious to hear more on your opinion about young people.Then you get to places like this which I think started with good intentions. However, look around in chat and you see little clique groups. You also get massive hypocrisy from others while single lonely men are just being pushy bastards. Not all the single men are terrible, but the old adage is "one bad apple spoils the bunch". That is because that bad apple is going through a chemical change that does affect the rest of them. So, that bad image problem can turn a good single guy into a not so good single guy.Now we are seeing younger people move away from nudism because they are so career focused and they are terrified that if their image got out to their boss that they would be done forever and could no longer enjoy any kind of lifestyle. It makes me sick and is one of the reasons I tend to be a bit more open about who and what I am. Both as a nudist, but also as someone who does enjoy the more fun sides. I just know that there is a time and a place. I think I rambled a bit at this point so if you got this far thanks for reading and I am going to consider deleting this entire post lol.
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