I took a break from this heated dialog for a while, I was a bit frustrating, but finally went back to see how it was progressing.
First I would like to comment on the post below.
It was an excellent piece you wrote Wolfsteve! Great post!StevieLorna;I will address your points:First, there is an admistrator's account called teamtrue1. The story for that profile states: "This is just a general administrator profile. I'm not a user's profile." I am therefore accepting this as true and this is an administrator profile used to manage the site.teamtrue1 posted "FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING".Rule 3 states: "3. Please keep the forum non-sexual. No erotic stories or topics." I have gone to The American Heritage dictionary to find out what erotic means: https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=erotic. It states: "Of, relating to, or tending to arouse sexual desire."Every discussion of sexual organs or other body parts, their appearance or functions are not erotic.Therefore, it appears that the adminstrator was careful in choice of words. I have objected to posts that I felt were erotic, and I have reported the posts to moderators myself. I view the statements at the bottom of the page in the context of the forum rules.Contrary to your characterization, I recognize that I am not wonderful or perfect. I have thoughts and desires that I find to be wonderful or uplifting. I also have others that I find degrading, and yes that includes some erotic fantasies. None the less, I look myself in the mirror and see someone who values human beings and life more than anything and who genuinely loves and respects almost everyone. I am aware of those parts of my psyche I am not so proud of and I strive to rise above them. I admit them to others at times so they understand when they have them, that does not mean they are perverts or awful people also but can also be wonderful.At the same time, I am not ashamed to have sexual organs and have sex. Today is my 28th wedding anniversary, My wife and I are parents to 6 wonderful human beings, and sex is an important interaction for us as a married couple to promote closeness and is fun. We became parents by getting naked together and having sex. The most exhaulted activity I have ever participated in is having sex with my wife, especially, when we gave life to those 6 human beings.Too many males and females are now growing up in disfunctional homes and a society that makes them ashamed for their bodies and how they function. Boys grow up in a world where not being able to sit still due to having testes is a reason for drugs to calm them, and there are no more boy only activities. Girls are pressured that they are wonderful when they can be like the boys. We don't value boys as boys or girls as girls, and that leads to misery. I see nudity as a way to counteract the shaming of our bodies. When a male or female is totally naked and others see that person as wonderful and terrific, and sees other naked bodies that are wonderful, that person can learn to not only not be ashamed of his or her body but proud of it.Many of the people who post on TN are exploring the idea that there is nothing wrong with their bodies or them. When discussing the parts of their bodies that will be uncovered and normally are covered, those people will discuss aspects of them that they may be embarrassed about. That may include sexual arousal, toilet functions, etc. I see their questions as attempting to learn that they are okay and have no reason to be embarrassed. I would not shame them for that, and impressed by their striving to feel good about their bodies.I have had some one on one conversations with many of them outside of these forums. First, it would not be appropriate here, and second, they would not feel safe. I allow them to discuss their sexual side and erotic desires while admitting mine safely and so that they feel that just because they have fantasies, that does not make them perverts. However, also helping them understand that it is normal and okay to have fantasies, that we would never actually want to fulfill, and the settings where they are not appropriate to express them.I want them to love themselves and be proud of themselves. I therefore see them as the smart and intelligent ones who are wanting to get out of their comfort zones and really learn to leve themselves. I see nothing moronic or stupid about their questions. They are wonderful human beings trying to feel good about themselves and their bodies.There are those who have posted erotic posts or responses on these forums, and when offended, I have told them so and why in that forum without name calling. The more dangerous posts are the self appointed morality police. When name calling, threats, and abusive language is used, the effects are awful. There are surprising numbers of people who let me know they like, agree, or disagree with my posts one on one. They are afraid to post a question or a response because of the abusive morality police.If someone who is exploring learns from TN that nudists are abusive and calling names, they quietly back off. If they can't post on these forums safely, they are much less likely to go to a clothing optional or nude beach, much less get naked there. Instead of reinforcing pride in their bodies, the abusinve name calling reinforces shame in their bodies.I don't believe that any name calling is appropriate and always degrading for the name caller. Whether the name caller is the president or his critics.
As I was catching up, I followed up on the "Montage" group.
I had seen that group before and the main photo. My thought? "Oh, that's a bit racy!", and I moved on,
(I see it's gone now)
Here's another one:
https://www.truenudists.com/group/grandpa-and-people-who-l/
I felt this one is a bit odd also. Is it inappropriate?
I'm sure there could be mixed opinions, Is it sexual or not? Is this intended for arousal, or not? Is it any different than cupping a breast?
I''m not bothered or offended by it. Probably not a picture I would post. If someone else is offended by it, fine by me. Whatever!
For me, it was a "hmmmmm" moment when I first saw it, then moved on.
It's not MY site and not my call. I didn't join the group, I just went somewhere else that was more to my liking.
I feel this is the whole point trying to be made in this topic.
If you enjoy a topic, follow along and perhaps participate. If not, then don't!
But feel free to make a civil case in rebuttal if you disagree. Different points of view are always interesting!
I am posting this in a totally incorrect place. I have been attempting to get something addressed and hope someone who is paying attention to our conversation knows how to get it addressed:I have not figured out how to report this:https://www.truenudists.com/group/nudist-photo-montages/.Others have seen it better here:https://www.truenudists.com/groups/?sort=lastupdate&name=nudist+photo-montage&public=&media=%20and%20sent%20a%20response%20under%20%22report%20bug/issue%22"Nudist Photo-montages" has a photo on the splash page that is pornography. Apparent, 779 members are members.This is pornography.Hiding an erection in a woman's rectum is not discreet.Having the woman grab erect penises to hide them in her hands is not discreet.If anyone knows who and how to report it, please do!
Save yourself some time and don't report anything. Reporting accomplishes nothing. I have reported a so called member who did nothing but openly abuse men. When 'she' was finally kicked out of chat, 'she' came right back with a brand new profile. Nothing was ever done to rid the site of this man hating creep.
This site has long ago ceased being a site for 'true nudists'. If this site was for 'true nudists' then the site would be cleaned up by getting rid of the garbage. This will never happen. Good luck and hope you find true nudists in the real world. What happens over and over again on this site is enough to put anyone off nudism for life.
If the site was properly moderated it would have the potential to be the largest best site for nudists.
Id give modding powers to people who have a real sense of what it is to be a nudist, someone whos superior. Whos already found and called out inappropriate material and judged it unfit for this site, come business. But then, Id probably be the first to get banned.
Sunluver101;Someone did report that one and it changed twice.Apparently some do know how to effectively report.I have not been able to either.Maybe they can share how they do it.
It would take a group of real nudist members who come together, coordinate, and keep reporting until either the frauds are banned or the real nudist members are.
One person here or there reporting abusers accomplishes absolutely nothing. I reported to one mod with the result that the mod told me that he had to go back to watching the room and then turned off his PM so that I could no longer say anything to him. I also reported the problem to TT2 with no response or reply. Mods actually have very little authority here and it is obvious that they are not trusted due to abuse of power by a few.
The message is clear: If people want a true nudist site, then they need to speak up as one voice and be willing to pay a price for their beliefs. Otherwise, let the perverts and frauds overrun this site as they are doing now.
Wow !!!
Beautiful explanation. As true nudists it doesn't even come to our minds even once how the other persons look like. We respect each other and not even see others as being nude. It's just OK. What we are more interested is in being friends or knowing the other person. Respecting one another. Nude not even comes to mind.
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