You know Andy your self righteousness is really not flattering to to. You make grand statements based on cherry picked facts to suit your opinion. Like saying Vimeo is a platform for porn. So you latest diatribe Syrians credibility.
Can you share your last interaction with young people in any naturist setting? When was your last visit to a clothing optional beach? You so easily disparage the naturist lives of others when you inject your personal view and experience into every single post you can.
Did you know the man that you dismiss and demeaned so easily is a well regarded naturist fiction author with several published books to his name. Did you know that he knows the young people he mentions as examples?
Likely not because all this is for you is another opportunity to ply the one trick pony views that you have expressed consistently.
Curious you should say that its just one mans opinion because same could be said about anyones opinion. I heard more than just inappropriate sexual behavior described as part of the image problem in the video. I heard issues of diversity of bodies, and racial diversity. I heard issues about nudism as looking rather than participating. I dont know how to counter the internet issue either but I think it is worthwhile having a conversation about how that influences the way new people first learn about nudism and then choose to engage. The problem isnt too dissimilar to the historical situation when nudists won the legal right to publish and distribute their magazines only to see girls then porn mags take advantage of that hard fought legal battle.It is an interesting video but it is one man's opinion. Not sure how you counter the internet and porn links occurring if people honestly search nudism wanting to learn or get some re-assurance about what to expect, what's acceptable etc. Maybe all we can do is post good information, real nudist / naturist information, not stuff that has sexual connotations. We are all sexual beings but I agree with the guy in the video, nudity is not about sex, it's about that great experience to be nude in nature.
The problem that some see naturism as sexual is as old as naturism. In 1900 when Ida Hofmann started the Monte Verita in Ascona some people thought naturism is about free love and swinging. Ida banned them altogether. They started a new "nudist" colony where they could do their swinging.
Yea it does. Nudism attracts the freaks. For us it got so bad that we decided to no longer visit our favourite nude beach at Byron Bay. My wife didn't feel safe, and we were accosted time and time again by males who couldn't keep their sexual urges in check.
And as a community we wonder why we can't get new clothing optional beaches approved (and keep the ones already approved)!
Fascinating point given the response from one of the commenters who joins the crowd of those who would deflect from the real issue at hand to place blame on those raising the concern even as Haulover beach nudist just issued a warning of concern about this very thing. Where will all the young people who are being limited by clueless old folks go then. Thank you for staying connected to the reality of the situation and making a factual comment.And as a community we wonder why we can't get new clothing optional beaches approved (and keep the ones already approved)!
Fascinating point given the response from one of the commenters who joins the crowd of those who would deflect from the real issue at hand to place blame on those raising the concern even as Haulover beach nudist just issued a warning of concern about this very thing. Where will all the young people who are being limited by clueless old folks go then. Thank you for staying connected to the reality of the situation and making a factual comment.
I believe that "one of the commentators" you're referring to is me. You think I miss your point, but I understand that there real freaks out there. I just don't think criticizing them will help. At the same time I don't believe you are seeing my point. As men of a certain age that grew up in a time when nudity wasn't a sexually laden social behavior, we need to do a lot more as mentors and role models to normalize healthy social nudism.
It can start in places like CO beaches where people are fortunate to have them. Where they don't, resorts and organizations like AANR are a worthy focus. We can't bemoan the decline of nudism when we don't even allow children of nudists to experience social nudism. When moral judgment is placed on others (including genuine freaks) without a willingness to consider the implications of structural discrimination in nudism, it smacks of hypocrisy. It may not matter if I avoid calling myself a nudist a result, but the future of nudism is precarious when youth like my sons who are comfortable with nudity shy away from nudism as repressive rather than liberating.
Most of the Christian naturists I've encountered tend to fall in the Evangelical camp. However there has been some significant writing on the subject of Christian nudity from Catholic circles. I have some extensive historical research (footnotes and source documents provided)on the subject here. Evangelical pastors were at the forefront of American nudism in the early. It is on recently that specific branch of evangelicals what become vehemently against social nudity.
https://clothesfreelife.com/naturist-wiki/christian-naturists/Maybe evangelicals are less tolerant of nudity than Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
I watched the video last night and I agree on-line naturism does have an image problem.
I do think it all depends though on which way you come at it.
As a younger man I was aware of naturism, but it wasnt something I gave much thought to. It wasnt until we discovered a CO beach that we took the plunge and never looked back. Becoming a naturist that way, you learn the etiquette on the monkey see monkey do principle. You quite quickly realise that simply being nude does not change anyones behaviour.
If you come to naturism through the internet then you bring your own preconceptions of what it is and anyone who tells you that those preconceptions are wrong you get to call a dinosaur or troll and demand they change naturist principles to suit them and their particular kinks. I dont see how this is ever going to change.
The only advice I can offer to the internet naturist, is go to a beach, see what its like. Youll either love it or get so board with the lack of sexual activity that youll go and find something else to do.
I think you got the point of the video and the what keeps getting missed because we seem to lack the capacity to have reasoned conversations.
The point is this - how a person first encounters naturism impacts what they perceive it to be and how they view naturist behavior. Since we are in a time where many if not most people first encounter naturism on the internet the distorted views on the net generate distorted behavior.
I first explored naturism through the internet. Most all the groups and website were focused on pics and photos looking not doing as the video suggests. When I got to experience naturism I real life it was so different. There was very little looking and lots of thing to be doing. Turns out online naturism is not the same as naturism in real life.
We now live in age where online is perceived to be as real as real life. Yet everyday we hear about online influencers who are just personas and not expressions of real people. Sadly the human need for belonging often leads us to accept the reflection of belonging instead of actual belonging. High levels of social media connection and low levels of belonging. True in broader society and true in naturism.If you come to naturism through the internet then you bring your own preconceptions of what it is and anyone who tells you that those preconceptions are wrong you get to call a dinosaur or troll and demand they change naturist principles to suit them and their particular kinks. I dont see how this is ever going to change.The only advice I can offer to the internet naturist, is go to a beach, see what its like. Youll either love it or get so board with the lack of sexual activity that youll go and find something else to do.
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