This thread illustrates exactly what the image problem with nudism is. Everyone on it myself included is part of a group of aging western European extracted males. Fundamentally we have more in common in holding a set of standards and decent behavior while naked in social and public than what differentiates us.
Somehow were caught up in judging others as freaks, morons who use nudism for their perverted idea of what naturism actually is, see ourselves as some arbiter of a true nudist/naturist definition and even holders of a golden algorithm, all while feeling victimized for being exclusive, overly dramatic, and prudish. Meanwhile, younger adults find safety in numbers on their own naked terms. They are unlikely to call themselves nudists nor do they seek our true nudism approval. Talk with those younger adults and youll likely find that theyre equally annoyed by perverted casual sex as our overbearing and tiresome nudist white old dude pontification. Soonbnude is on the right track in his positive interaction with the next generation. We need to be such a wise and compassionate role model mentor more than the world needs any more old dick rants on vimeo.
You know Andy your self righteousness is really not flattering to to. You make grand statements based on cherry picked facts to suit your opinion. Like saying Vimeo is a platform for porn. So you latest diatribe Syrians credibility.
Can you share your last interaction with young people in any naturist setting? When was your last visit to a clothing optional beach? You so easily disparage the naturist lives of others when you inject your personal view and experience into every single post you can.
Did you know the man that you dismiss and demeaned so easily is a well regarded naturist fiction author with several published books to his name. Did you know that he knows the young people he mentions as examples?
Likely not because all this is for you is another opportunity to ply the one trick pony views that you have expressed consistently.
Curious you should say that its just one mans opinion because same could be said about anyones opinion. I heard more than just inappropriate sexual behavior described as part of the image problem in the video. I heard issues of diversity of bodies, and racial diversity. I heard issues about nudism as looking rather than participating. I dont know how to counter the internet issue either but I think it is worthwhile having a conversation about how that influences the way new people first learn about nudism and then choose to engage. The problem isnt too dissimilar to the historical situation when nudists won the legal right to publish and distribute their magazines only to see girls then porn mags take advantage of that hard fought legal battle.It is an interesting video but it is one man's opinion. Not sure how you counter the internet and porn links occurring if people honestly search nudism wanting to learn or get some re-assurance about what to expect, what's acceptable etc. Maybe all we can do is post good information, real nudist / naturist information, not stuff that has sexual connotations. We are all sexual beings but I agree with the guy in the video, nudity is not about sex, it's about that great experience to be nude in nature.
The problem that some see naturism as sexual is as old as naturism. In 1900 when Ida Hofmann started the Monte Verita in Ascona some people thought naturism is about free love and swinging. Ida banned them altogether. They started a new "nudist" colony where they could do their swinging.
Yea it does. Nudism attracts the freaks. For us it got so bad that we decided to no longer visit our favourite nude beach at Byron Bay. My wife didn't feel safe, and we were accosted time and time again by males who couldn't keep their sexual urges in check.
And as a community we wonder why we can't get new clothing optional beaches approved (and keep the ones already approved)!
Fascinating point given the response from one of the commenters who joins the crowd of those who would deflect from the real issue at hand to place blame on those raising the concern even as Haulover beach nudist just issued a warning of concern about this very thing. Where will all the young people who are being limited by clueless old folks go then. Thank you for staying connected to the reality of the situation and making a factual comment.And as a community we wonder why we can't get new clothing optional beaches approved (and keep the ones already approved)!
Fascinating point given the response from one of the commenters who joins the crowd of those who would deflect from the real issue at hand to place blame on those raising the concern even as Haulover beach nudist just issued a warning of concern about this very thing. Where will all the young people who are being limited by clueless old folks go then. Thank you for staying connected to the reality of the situation and making a factual comment.
I believe that "one of the commentators" you're referring to is me. You think I miss your point, but I understand that there real freaks out there. I just don't think criticizing them will help. At the same time I don't believe you are seeing my point. As men of a certain age that grew up in a time when nudity wasn't a sexually laden social behavior, we need to do a lot more as mentors and role models to normalize healthy social nudism.
It can start in places like CO beaches where people are fortunate to have them. Where they don't, resorts and organizations like AANR are a worthy focus. We can't bemoan the decline of nudism when we don't even allow children of nudists to experience social nudism. When moral judgment is placed on others (including genuine freaks) without a willingness to consider the implications of structural discrimination in nudism, it smacks of hypocrisy. It may not matter if I avoid calling myself a nudist a result, but the future of nudism is precarious when youth like my sons who are comfortable with nudity shy away from nudism as repressive rather than liberating.
One mans bad experiences doesnt mean the end of naturism.
What Andy sees at the places he cant access isnt reflected in the places we visit. The European beaches have plenty on young naturists, the resorts are mainly older empty nesters but you do get families there too.
Andy also blames religious prudes for his lack of nudist opportunities but..
The three European countries that weve been to as naturists are Spain, Austria and Greece. All three are very religious.
Austria is predominantly Christian and we were told by local that the area we were in was 95% Catholic and had a big naturist community visiting.
Greece is 90% Christian orthodox and has very health naturist tourism trade.
Spain where we visit the most, is extremely religious with Christian festivals somewhere almost every weekend and thats the most naturist friendly country we know of.
I dont understand how America can be so different in its attitudes to naturism,
Thanks for providing actual information to balance the opinion makingOne mans bad experiences doesnt mean the end of naturism.What Andy sees at the places he cant access isnt reflected in the places we visit. The European beaches have plenty on young naturists, the resorts are mainly older empty nesters but you do get families there too.I dont understand how America can be so different in its attitudes to naturism,
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