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Oh yes I am, but the wife doesnt know.I learned years ago after her sex drive was going away. I noticed that men enjoyed sex with no commitment. And the sex was better than any woman had done. But still being with the wife is my favorite. Have not been with another woman since we got married. Because I would feel like I was cheating on her. But the times that we could have together, she didnt want that. And expressed that she was not gay. Lol

There is a division of opinion whether a physical relation with a same sex partner is cheating on an opposite sex spouse.

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There is a division of opinion whether a physical relation with a same sex partner is cheating on an opposite sex spouse.

Is that the same with farm animals? (Asking for a friend)

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Does the farm animal have concerns, Steve? :-D

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For the record, I am definitely bipedal.

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There are far more Bi/Pan/Demi/Onmisexual people out there than most people think. A lot of them go about their lives with most people who meet them assuming they are straight. I have known I was Bi since I was 10 years old, I didn't even know what to call it back then I just knew I liked women and men. 30+ years later that hasn't changed at all. While I am married to a woman I love, that doesn't make me any less Bi, I still find men and women attractive. I say just enjoy the experiences life has to offer, it could be absolutely amazing.

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I am a fully committed bisexual nudist.

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That's great to hear!

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RE:bi and bi I couldn't have put it better myself.

There are far more Bi/Pan/Demi/Onmisexual people out there than most people think. A lot of them go about their lives with most people who meet them assuming they are straight. I have known I was Bi since I was 10 years old, I didn't even know what to call it back then I just knew I liked women and men. 30+ years later that hasn't changed at all. While I am married to a woman I love, that doesn't make me any less Bi, I still find men and women attractive. I say just enjoy the experiences life has to offer, it could be absolutely amazing.

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Im bi wife is not. She knows Ive played in the past I still do when presented with the right situation.
Especially since her interest in physical sex has decreased and mine hasnt.

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There is a division of opinion whether a physical relation with a same sex partner is cheating on an opposite sex spouse.

Not a psychologist/psychiatrist here, but I doubt there are many in those fields of study who would suggest the sexual parts of someone you are achieving orgasms with outside of your committed relationship has got a damned thing to do with the act of being unfaithful.

I do attempt to avoid discontent with my fellow nudists, but any 'division of opinion' mentioned in the quote above is quite a convenience for those who are trying to justify their actions. If a person allows themself to engage in a hidden situation, where they have done something sexual with anyone other than their committed partner, what mental hoops does he or she or it need to jump through to find a comfortable place to live with it? 'Underlying' feelings - that's two negative words in one, under (hidden) and lying (dishonesty). Two negatives will never make the equation positive in the world of relational arithmetic, especially if it feels as though you still deserve the sexual satisfaction you are no longer getting from your partner. If you are not telling your spouse that you are providing and/or accepting sexual favors from someone other than them, in my opinion it is cheating. The severity of the offense warrants a mention here -- there are many levels of dishonesty, some with obvious dangers (are you going to bring home herpes to your partner?) and some which might be put aside without a lot of soul searching or with a need for full disclosure (enjoying yourself as you notice a couple at the park who go too far in public setting).

There is no need for bodily penetration for the act to be unfaithful. Leaving aside sex without physical presence for ease of discussion (a related subject worthy of a thread of its own - the realm of phone sex and internet interaction), if your semen is being gotten out of your balls by someone else's actions, or if you are giving someone else sexual gratification, without specific, expressed permission or knowledge of or within eyesight of your spouse, ya burnt!

In some minds, cheating does not have to include anything physical at all. I'm reminded of when Playboy interviewed President Carter and he said, "I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times." RIP Rosalyn Carter, a great person and humanitarian and supportive partner, who I hope didn't get too pissed at Jimmy for that admission. Personally, I don't think Jimmy did anything wrong there besides maybe leaving his mouth open too long. No one need ever know what evil lurks in one's heart, but getting honest about it can both benefit or undermine the sanctity of a coupling.

For those in this thread who conclude that same sex activity isn't cheating, I'll suggest that this idea is no more than wishful thinking. Example: If you've got one in each hand and one in each hole, something tells me your partner won't feel that you're being faithful when they catch you bent at the waist in the video booth. You may have no long term mental connection with the four penises you're presently engaging with, and I foresee some doubt as to how much you'll be worth to that lover when you get home -- unless of course they're into that. But...just because you have the same equipment, it doesn't mean it won't undermine a commitment; that double negative comes with too good a rhyme to it leave out!

And a final aside - there are people who do feel jealousy, belittlement or replacement issues through their partner's use of sexual toys. With humility, there is nothing you can do with a sex toy that should be considered cheating, though that's not to say that the constant reliance on such tools can't create problems in a marriage. Used sparingly or in conjunction with a partner, why not! Spice that shit up, my flaccidly-leaning or moisture-diminished bare fellows! Keep that drawer stocked with quality lube and go at it with verve! With that stated, the time when the adult toy industry and the world of intelligent robots does merge looms large (and anyone here with applicable experience please do speak up if you've already fucked&fallen for such), and that situation could soon make me have to re-think this paragraph.

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