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- VB
Jan 14, 2022Maybe its one of those things where the more educated you are the more you are aware that nudity is just normal. Maybe that corresponds to curiosity as well. I think it plays into questioning things as well. I find that, unlike many people I encounter, I look into topics, research issues, ask questions, and can approach situations with and open mind, looking at things from different angles before arriving at a conclusion.
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Feb 19, 2022I have two advanced degrees, one at the masters level and the other at the doctoral level. I was raised in a strictly-textile environment, and the only nudity I was exposed to was in the locker room on swim team (which was kind of the opposite extreme, in a good way). Because my degree is of a medical nature, I had to get comfortable with having other people be exposed. Even though that didn't apply to me, it forced me to realize that it is not as big a deal as some make it out to be. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that the Europeans and those in other parts of the world have a much saner view of nudity. Having advanced degrees helped a little, because it taught me that most of what society tells us to believe is total self-serving bullshit. Does that count? Furthermore, God's plan is much better: we were made to be nude in the beginning.
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Apr 14, 2022The average IQ of the general population is 100 - by definition.
The average IQ of high school graduates is 105. Certainly, there are plenty of people who graduate from high school who have IQs well below 105.
The average IQ of college graduates is 115 -- four year degree.
Average for Ph.D, M.D. is 125.I believe the more you study and the more you know, the more you question social norms and constructs. "Does this really make sense?" "Is this really important?"
When you have to prove or substantiate everything you say, it's natural to question what other people say.
I believe that leads many to question whether clothing is really necessary.
ReactReply - ST
Apr 15, 2022I think nudism has nothing to do with degrees and IQ. To be nude is a matter of feeling. All people can sense the freedom of nudity. At a nudist beach there are no worker or professors, there are only nude women and men and kids.
ReactReply - MEApr 15, 2022I would make no claim to causality regarding education and IQ vs. nudism, only correlation. [url][link]/link/4325a1f29a608c60/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ3EuY29tLmF1L3N1Y2Nlc3Mvb3BpbmlvbnMvc3R1ZGllcy1zYXktcGVvcGxlLXdoby1sb3VuZ2UtYXJvdW5kLW5ha2VkLWF0LWhvbWUtYXJlLW1vcmUtaW50ZWxsaWdlbnQvbmV3cy1zdG9yeS9iMzI4YjU5OGVmMjhmMzcyZjJhYmNhNDY4NTIzZGRjZA%3D%3D[/link]Nudity Correlation[/url]
Those higher in intellect, or openness to experience, were more likely to swear around other people, buy organic food, create art, eat spicy breakfasts, not follow a sports team closely, do car maintenance on their own, and to lounge around the house without clothes on.
ReactReply - MEApr 16, 2022I fit some of those characteristics, but not all. [quote]Those higher in intellect, or openness to experience, were more likely to swear around other people, buy organic food, create art, eat spicy breakfasts, not follow a sports team closely, do car maintenance on their own, and to lounge around the house without clothes on.[/quote][quote]Interesting! I'd never consider putting those things together but it describes the kind of people I'm most comfortable with.[/quote] I find colorful speech to be more interesting Organic foods sound great, but not worth the trouble in Springfield MO Not very artistic Mostly don't care for spicy foods -- only occasionally Do NOT follow a sports team -- not even occasionally Couldn't do car maintenance to save my life Definitely lounge nude -- alwaysReactReply
- HA
Apr 16, 2022Let me see how many boxes I can check
Don't now about the intelligence thing I do have a Master's though
Curse like a sailor Eat and buy organic when convenient
Love spicy food anytime
Hate sports
Artist
Can do basic car maintenance change tires, wiper blades, oil, antifreeze, batteries
Naked most of the timeReactReply - MEApr 16, 2022Oh, that kind of car maintenance. [quote] Can do basic car maintenance change tires, wiper blades, oil, antifreeze, batteries [/quote] Yeah, I do that. I was thinking minor repair.ReactReply
- MEApr 16, 2022Average IQ of someone with a masters would be between 115 and 125. [quote] Don't know about the intelligence thing I do have a Master's though [/quote] Your mileage may vary, but not likely much below 110.ReactReply
- TRApr 16, 2022
personally, i think the whole discussion or argument that education advanced degrees, certificates or such have anything to do with being a nudist / naturist is as bunk as it gets, People change , learn from others, or follow their feelings, even accidentally discover likes and dislikes. Some like myself it was just there. I did not like how clothes felt . i liked how i felt when warm and naked, simple as that and it hasn't changed. I also think the over educated tend to want to change / class and judge people or make excuses or rules and they end up ruining the spontaneity of fun and life in many cases. They look thru tainted glasses to look for improvement were none is needed. and they tend to want to put their mark on things they don't deserve to finger in the first place. what's wrong with just letting folks be humanly nude/ naked / bare and if you dont like it how it is , dont friggin look or walk away, !
ReactReply - MEApr 17, 2022
There are studies that show there is a correlation between education/IQ vs nudism.
It's just a correlation -- not causality.
ReactReply - STApr 17, 2022[quote]There are studies that show there is a correlation between education/IQ vs nudism.[/quote] I don't believe in such studies. The results are influenced by the formulation of the question, the circumstances and who the client is.ReactReply
- 68
Apr 17, 2022Id like to put my two cents in:
I play guitar
Do my own car service
Obtained my private pilots license at age 51
Got my general class amateur radio license
I consider myself pretty well rounded in the intelligence area
Have not idea what my IQ might be but certainly higher the the current president
And yes I like nudismReactReply - MEApr 18, 2022That's not scientific. [quote] I don't believe in such studies. The results are influenced by the formulation of the question, the circumstances and who the client is.[/quote] You dismiss them out of hand without knowing who conducted the study, how it was conducted, what controls were in place, etc., etc., etc. That's not scientific.ReactReply
- STApr 18, 2022[quote]That's not scientific.[/quote] That's the point. You can't prove whether the study was prepared on a scientific basis. You only know the result.ReactReply
- MEApr 18, 2022As far as I can tell, you dismissed the study out of hand without even reading it much less conducting any sort of investigation. [quote]That's not scientific.[/quote][quote] That's the point. You can't prove whether the study was prepared on a scientific basis. You only know the result.[/quote] Again, a far as I can tell, you assumed it was badly designed, had a foregone conclusion, was badly executed, etc. All without even investigating it. It seems you are displaying all of the bad characteristics you ascribe to the referenced study. Your logic seems to fit this pattern: A study draws a conclusion that you believe is incorrect. For that reason and that reason alone, you decide the study is seriously and fundamentally flawed. That's not scientific.ReactReply
- STApr 18, 2022Youre just referring to an article in CQ Australia Mens Magazine: [quote]Nudity Correlation Those higher in intellect, or openness to experience, were more likely to swear around other people, buy organic food, create art, eat spicy breakfasts, not follow a sports team closely, do car maintenance on their own, and to lounge around the house without clothes on.[/quote] I took the trouble to look into it once. There is a link to https://www.sciencedirect.com. Quotation:For instance, Extraversion was strongly associated with telling dirty jokes, Intellect with loung[ing] around [the] house without clothes on, and Agreeableness with singing in the showerDoesnt sound scientific to me.ReactReply
- MEApr 18, 2022
And all that's being suggested is correlation. No one is assuming causality. Even GQ can establish correlation.
ReactReply - STApr 18, 2022Wikipedia says about GQ:GQ (formerly Gentlemen's Quarterly) is an American international monthly men's magazine based in New York City and founded in 1931. The publication focuses on fashion, style, and culture for men, though articles on food, movies, fitness, sex, music, travel, sports, technology, and books are also featured.[quote]And all that's being suggested is correlation. No one is assuming causality. Even GQ can establish correlation.[/quote] Sorry, I dont see any point in this statement.ReactReply
- MEApr 18, 2022There's a huge gulf of a difference between causation and correlation. Although many people think they are the same or nearly the same. Correlation merely says that A and B frequently happen together. For a detailed study on correlation not causation, click [url][link]/link/7b50c5e5605f6d2d/aHR0cHM6Ly9zY2llbmNlLmhvd3N0dWZmd29ya3MuY29tL2lubm92YXRpb24vc2NpZW5jZS1xdWVzdGlvbnMvMTAtY29ycmVsYXRpb25zLXRoYXQtYXJlLW5vdC1jYXVzYXRpb25zLmh0bQ%3D%3D[/link]here[/url]. Correlation is very easy to prove. Causation says that A and B not only frequently happen together, but, I fact, A causes B or B causes A. For a discussion of causation, click [url][link]/link/2ac562ea98901704/aHR0cHM6Ly9zdW5kYXNraGFsaWQubWVkaXVtLmNvbS9jb3JyZWxhdGlvbi12cy1jYXVzYXRpb24taW4tZGF0YS1zY2llbmNlLTY2YjZjZmE3MDJmMA%3D%3D[/link]here[/url]. Proving causation can be much more difficult. Regarding the referenced article, all that's being claimed is that there's a correlation between IQ/Education and nudity, which would not require very much scientific rigor to establish. The article/study does not claim that IQ/Education causes nudity or that nudity causes IQ/Education. That would be very difficult to establish scientifically.ReactReply
- STApr 20, 2022Thank you to your explanation of correlation, mensasnem. [quote]There's a huge gulf of a difference between causation and correlation. Although many people think they are the same or nearly the same.[/quote] A possible reason could be that people with an advanced degree earn more money and can have a big house with a swimming-pool where they can be nude without anybody else see them. People with a lower degree have not such a possibility. That's my opinion and has no scientific background. If I were right people with an advanced or lower degree are both shameful and none of them have a better relation to nudism. This could be an explanation for the correlation but only one of many others which are thinkable.ReactReply
- TRApr 22, 2022
. to listen to many of the parties on tn with degrees and othe advanced learning you often seem to miss the boat. How you approach topics of nudism is as if you know it all. or your entitled to think your is the correct thinking when in fact your bias and taught smugness shows thru and is missleading of Nudism .
ReactReply - HO
Oct 23, 2022Not such advanced degrees even correlate to intelligence. Many highly intelligent people past and present did not/do not have advanced degrees.
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