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- ST
Apr 16, 2020The BBC used to run a fascinating science show on TV here called Horizon. Each week it would examine different aspects of science. I remember one on intelligence. Animal and human. In one section of the show, it gave a random selection of people an IQ test.
An IQ test is a series of question to gage a persons intelligence, its been around for decades and millions have taken the test. The number of points you score determines your level of intelligence the average is 100 points. Score well above average and youre a genius, well below, a moron.
One lady ( 40s) was given her score as 80. She was quite upset by this and thought it rather unfair on her. Instead of going off and reading a book or two, she asked the testers of they couldnt make the average lower so she could become more intelligent.
Like I said earlier, morons dont know they are morons. And yes there is a test for it.
Lee I dont care if the OP doesnt want to post a face picture, Im not on the site to see pictures. But if anyone on a naturist site posts a dick pic and thinks that makes them a naturist. I doubt they would do well on the test. I stand by my words.
ReactReply - STApr 16, 2020
The OPs opening statement references another topic which we both posted on.
His closing statement asks that we live and let live and treat others with the respect we would like to be shown.
I agree with that profoundly.
But he doesnt say how we should treat the morons who dont respect us.... thats my point.
ReactReply - STApr 16, 2020You know in other parts of the world, when someone shouts Fake News, it generally taken to mean the news is correct and the person shouting it is trying to divert attention from his own failings.
There is this one guy who keeps repeating it a lot.
Ps... Ive never called Lee a moron.... Id like to make that clear.ReactReply - HO
Apr 16, 2020[quote] And the excuses (I have too much to lose by showing my face, so let me show you my penis instead) are just ridiculous. As a man, I have spent my share of time in locker rooms and heard my share of locker room talk. Still, I find it very creepy when someone compliments me (quote, unquote) in a nudist setting. For women, as one of the recent posters here has pointed out, it is not just creepy, but downright hostile. That kind of behavior isolates us, makes us wary of newcomers, and eventually drives us away. Bottom line: when nudists push back against the sex and body part talk, we are just trying to keep others from littering on our part of the online beach. Sure, we dont own the site and we cant actually prevent anyone from behaving badly. Maybe the whole idea of a nudist website is misconceived. But when we do object, it is with reason and our views are also entitled to respect.[/quote] Another well reasoned and articulated post sadly dont expect the free for all proponents to address any of the points made because they are only interested in their perspective and agenda. But thank you for being so clear and thoughtful in expressing a genuine authentic naturist perspective..ReactReply - HOApr 16, 2020[quote] By the way homeclothesfree, good choice on the surfer pic dude! Talk about HOT! Makes me want to take up surfing! I had to look at it twice, I think she could excite a eunuch! Does that make me a perv? :-)[/quote] FreeLee nice try not gonna bite give a shout when you want to have a cogent reasoned conversation/debate about the subject at hand.ReactReply
- ST
Apr 16, 2020In real life, there are people who are comfortable with social nudity. There are lurkers and trolls. And there are very large numbers of people who think about social nudity and just aren't[em]there[/em]yet. Imagine a few perfectly nice folks sitting around talking about the[em]possibility[/em]of social nudity. Their nervous jokes, their body concerns, their misunderstandings. In real life, a few of those people will eventually work through enough of that to appear as newbies at a social venue. As poster after poster who has actually done that has said, the nudity is astonishingly uncomplicated after the first few minutes. Once they're there, they'll start to pick up moves and mannerisms, reflecting the body language of the people around them, adjust and fit in. That might be a slow process, as fitting in to any social group can be.
But this is the internet. Here, all those folks who aren't there yet, are with us. At a social venue, we encounter a minority of newbies, and even then only those who have taken the important and sometimes difficult step of showing up. Online, we share space with the large number of perfectly nice folks who haven't yet done that, and who bring their concerns and misunderstandings with them. Online, we are not a definite, smallish group of also-naked people, sitting alone or interacting in small and shifting groups. Stepping into this space is a very different experience. Safer, because we are really just sitting at our desks, and that's why there are so many of us; scarier, because this is not an in-the-moment experience with a group of people, it's an on-the-record experience visible to the entire world. Here, there is no body language. No smiles. There's just text and photos.
The site simply can't be an online version of a beach or resort. It can't have the same mix of people. The interactions can't be the same. More tolerance is definitely required; there will be more variety of behavior. The offsetting advantage is that we are safer, sitting at our desks.
(If there's one behavior to focus on, it's the level of sexual pic comments and chat approaches - that gets personal and rises to the level of harassment for some people. An option to restrict photo comments to friends would help.)ReactReply - STApr 17, 2020
Lee, you started a thread about a child having an erection at a nudist resort, a totally fake scenario which you admitted to, and another thread asking if women with highly charged sex drives actually exist.
These are the thymes that court the sort of comment you detest so much, so why do you actively seek it out?
ReactReply - MEMemberApr 17, 2020
I wish you all the best in your nudist lives whether you are out there waving your Nudist Flag for everyone to see, or you are quietly part of this site because you are trying to find other like-minded individuals who share common interests. This is a welcoming site for others to share experiences, joys, world-wide concerns, and compassion with others. I hope this finds you all doing well... and staying safe.
ReactReply - STApr 17, 2020Live and let live, all welcoming. Love in.
So what about that latest topic in The Mens Room?
Its a spot on naturist discussion.
A topic weve all sat around the pool bar and debated well into the night, (I thought I better edit this in case someone thought I wasnt being sarcastic)ReactReply - STApr 17, 2020
It doesnt interest me.... but I had to read it to find out what it was.
So now Im aware of it, and... this will really shock some....Ive formed an opinion.
Im not going to comment on it.
ReactReply - JO
Apr 18, 2020[quote]nakedunashamed started this topic with: "Shaming others for expressing their nakedness/sexuality differently than you do is no different than the people who would shame you for being a nudist. You can't have it both ways. Live and let live. And, treat others as you would like to be treated. Then, the culture here will be just fine." Stoneandy just added: "Let's stop the judging and affirm one another instead." I think the starting and ending posts are perfect.[/quote] Totally agree. But we also need to protect our children. We also need to minimize public behaviors of the few that would be detrimental to the majority's freedom to enjoy simple nude activity. Public opinion dictates our freedom to be nude.ReactReply - JOApr 18, 2020[quote]In real life, there are people who are comfortable with social nudity. There are lurkers and trolls. And there are very large numbers of people who think about social nudity and just aren't there yet. Imagine a few perfectly nice folks sitting around talking about the possibility of social nudity. Their nervous jokes, their body concerns, their misunderstandings. In real life, a few of those people will eventually work through enough of that to appear as newbies at a social venue. As poster after poster who has actually done that has said, the nudity is astonishingly uncomplicated after the first few minutes. Once they're there, they'll start to pick up moves and mannerisms, reflecting the body language of the people around them, adjust and fit in. That might be a slow process, as fitting in to any social group can be. But this is the internet. Here, all those folks who aren't there yet, are with us. At a social venue, we encounter a minority of newbies, and even then only those who have taken the important and sometimes difficult step of showing up. Online, we share space with the large number of perfectly nice folks who haven't yet done that, and who bring their concerns and misunderstandings with them. Online, we are not a definite, smallish group of also-naked people, sitting alone or interacting in small and shifting groups. Stepping into this space is a very different experience. Safer, because we are really just sitting at our desks, and that's why there are so many of us; scarier, because this is not an in-the-moment experience with a group of people, it's an on-the-record experience visible to the entire world. Here, there is no body language. No smiles. There's just text and photos. The site simply can't be an online version of a beach or resort. It can't have the same mix of people. The interactions can't be the same. More tolerance is definitely required; there will be more variety of behavior. The offsetting advantage is that we are safer, sitting at our desks. (If there's one behavior to focus on, it's the level of sexual pic comments and chat approaches - that gets personal and rises to the level of harassment for some people. An option to restrict photo comments to friends would help.)[/quote] Extremely well said, thank you.ReactReply
- JOApr 18, 2020[quote]FreeLee - I think your points are valid and I genuinely appreciate your contribution to the site, but let me give one persons view from the other side of the question: It would be one thing if this were just another soft-porn sex site that had a small corner where nudists (you know who you are) could congregate and socialize online. The sex talk and dick pics would just be so much background noise. But this site holds itself out specially as a nudist website (certification, moderators and all that) where, one would think, the sex talk and dick pics would just as unwelcome as at any other nudist event. The constant intrusion of that material chases away more people than you might think and prevents the rest of us from enjoying the site more. So, in part it is a question of expectations. In my experience, nudists are the last people who want to make rules for others, impose ideological purity tests, or engage in sex or body-shaming. At the same time, it is tiresome to read yet another post that seems to start out as a nudist issue (e.g. body-image) but quickly turns into the writers masturbation fantasy. And the excuses (I have too much to lose by showing my face, so let me show you my penis instead) are just ridiculous. As a man, I have spent my share of time in locker rooms and heard my share of locker room talk. Still, I find it very creepy when someone compliments me (quote, unquote) in a nudist setting. For women, as one of the recent posters here has pointed out, it is not just creepy, but downright hostile. That kind of behavior isolates us, makes us wary of newcomers, and eventually drives us away. Bottom line: when nudists push back against the sex and body part talk, we are just trying to keep others from littering on our part of the online beach. Sure, we dont own the site and we cant actually prevent anyone from behaving badly. Maybe the whole idea of a nudist website is misconceived. But when we do object, it is with reason and our views are also entitled to respect.[/quote] Very well stated as many posts in this thread. Thank you.ReactReply
- STApr 18, 2020
Em1dub, youll be please to know Lee and I are still friendly despite or different opinions.
Ive a question for you, I hope youll take some time to consider answering honestly.
As a fellow naturist, describe how you sit on a toilet?
*****please dont answer that, Ive absolutely no interest in knowing ****
Thats the kind of question I find moronic and if not perverse, then quite disturbing.
ReactReply - STApr 19, 2020
You are a superior human being MrWolf.
One question..... what do you consider inappropriate on a naturist forum?
ReactReply - HOApr 21, 2020
Slamecksam. Take care those are good words of advice I everyone followed. Sorry to see you go.
ReactReply - NU
Apr 21, 2020I too am a public figure. I am an elected official and cannot risk showing my face due to the societal perception of nudity. I hope someday, America will be more open and accepting of social nudity, and not always link it mistakenly with sexual acts or perversity.
ReactReply - STApr 22, 2020
I dont think anyone will mind if we discuss it here.....
No wait a minute, someone always minds.
Ok you can start a new topic
ReactReply - STApr 23, 2020It looks like you took some time to think things through Wolf.
Its a bit long winded, I have a much shorter list.
1.) People who practice social nudity on a beach, resort or club already
know how to behave and what is appropriate. They dont need a list.
2.) People who have never experienced social nudity already know how to behave in an appropriate way.
3.) Some people dont want or know how to act appropriated so they join a website like this.
4.) people act in a moronic way by not knowing how they behave is not appropriate. If you have a sexual question, or about bodily functions take them to a website set up for that. This one isnt.
5.) Who are the people who decide what is appropriate..... your society. Youre still part of it, in or out of underpants.ReactReply - HOApr 23, 2020[quote]It looks like you took some time to think things through Wolf. Its a bit long winded, I have a much shorter list. [/quote] You have as they say the patience of Job to try make sense of the senseless and speak truth to those who would wallow in faux ignorance to perpetuate their fallow proclivities. Glad you are inclined to take it on though.ReactReply
