RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

It the right that banned nudity and even the idea of nudism in the entire state of Arkansas. It the techies in SF, who are right wingers that destroyed nudity in SF. It's perverts at the American River that's killing nudity there. Educate yourself, it's lacking.

You are mistaken on all points.

I am very active in the push to reopen the American River area, and have attended meetings with the state lawmakers and have lunched with lobbyists. Twenty bucks says I know a lot more about the issue than you.

I attended the meetings to speak against the blanket nudity ban in San Francisco. Were you there? I met the city council members who voted for that ban, have you? I happen to know they are all liberals, how did you come to the erroneous conclusion that they are conservatives?

You claim that techies in SF are right-wingers. How is that so? The vast majority support and embrace leftist causes and those who are registered to vote almost exclusively supported Clinton in 2016, according to every San Francisco Chronicle poll ever conducted..

It appears it is YOU who needs to get educated.

I am a life-long nudist, Libertarian, and recently became a naturism activist. I find your assumption that this new wave of anti-naturism comes from the left quite offensive to our cause. Before you can win a battle, you first must identify who your opponent is. For this latest round of battles, our opponents have been exclusively from the left. Your education has begun.

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RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

Could not agree more, just a matter of time before the nude beaches, lakes and mixed gender sauna's (In Germany also FKK) will slowly disappear. In The Netherlands at some beaches girls/ women do not go topless anymore!!

I think it is more complicated than left vs right - in the USA.In Europe, I think the decline is very much tied to Muslim immigration. The governments in Europe seem bent on accommodating and not offending the migrants - at the expense of their own citizens & culture. Islam has very clear and strong teachings against nudity, so the incoming people both have that culture and push that culture on others. And now it's reached the point where Muslims are holding positions of political power and influence. Bye bye traditional nudity.In the USA the "right" ("conservative" "Christians") have a strong bent against sexual immorality, and nudity = sex, so nudity is bad. From the "left" there is a strong desire to "protect" and not "offend", and nudity (especially male nudity) is seen a sexually aggressive and that is something we just can't have. Yes, the "right" has a libertarian - let people do what they want - wing, and the "left" has a nature & Gaia and tolerate people who are different wing. But those wings aren't nearly as strong & influential as the the power grabbing, controlling wings.

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RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

I've not noticed it decreasing anyway in particular. Paris had a Nude Park at the end of this summer. London had a naked restaurant (The Bunyadi) that will hopefully return soon. My friends in Berlin say that being naked in public parks is still common. I think general interest is much the same as it always has been.

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RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

Sadly not the case in The Netherlands, teenagers wearing shorts in the shower at schools, also in sport clubs, women not going topless any more on the beaches because of harassment. Troubling trend!

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RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

Social media is a problem in today's world. Be spontaneous and it's recorded for eternity for the whole world to see with filters, etc. perhaps but it leaves people feeling exposed and vulnerable. At some point people will learn to live with it enough to set up healthy boundaries and safe zones but for now it's the wild world wide west.

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RE:Troubling nudity trend in Germany

I think it is more complicated than left vs right - in the USA.In Europe, I think the decline is very much tied to Muslim immigration. The governments in Europe seem bent on accommodating and not offending the migrants - at the expense of their own citizens & culture. Islam has very clear and strong teachings against nudity, so the incoming people both have that culture and push that culture on others. And now it's reached the point where Muslims are holding positions of political power and influence. Bye bye traditional nudity.In the USA the "right" ("conservative" "Christians") have a strong bent against sexual immorality, and nudity = sex, so nudity is bad. From the "left" there is a strong desire to "protect" and not "offend", and nudity (especially male nudity) is seen a sexually aggressive and that is something we just can't have. Yes, the "right" has a libertarian - let people do what they want - wing, and the "left" has a nature & Gaia and tolerate people who are different wing. But those wings aren't nearly as strong & influential as the the power grabbing, controlling wings.
You made a lot of good points. Overall, think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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