RE:Single Mens Army

Stoneandy wrote:

IYou come out against profiling only to ... profile yourself. Are you saying that only single men piss in the pool? Implying that men who have a female chaperone behave? Isn't that a bit like saying black people are arrested for driving while black are justified because black drivers before them were worse drivers than their ethnic majority counterparts/ Could we perhaps focus on the condemnable behavior without profiling?

It's not me doing the profiling. It's the resorts that charge single men up to six times the admission fee that they charge for single women or accompanied men, or simply refuse to admit them at all.

I'm sure there are men who are accompanied by women and who "piss in the pool," but they're not singled out for discrimination the way unaccompanied men are.

As for the "driving while black" analogy, let's be clear about something: the dynamics of that are complex. It's almost never based on the assumption that Black drivers are historically worse than other drivers. It's based on keeping Blacks from being in places where Blacks aren't supposed to be, namely white neighborhoods, particularly after dark, on the assumption that they're up to no good. At least that's the pretext.

The real dynamic is that Black people are being told that they are under the yoke of white law enforcement, and need to be reminded of that from time to time. That was explained to me by Black co-workers when I was doing health inspections for the Baltimore City Health Department (of the 80-some members of my division of that department, I was one of five whites). Usually, they'd let me drive, on the grounds that we'd be less likely to be stopped if a white guy was at the wheel. Believe me, the danger of "Driving While Black" is very real, and not based at all on how the driving is done.

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Thanks for the articulate response "The real dynamic is that Black people are being told that they are under the yoke of white law enforcement, and need to be reminded of that from time to time." Perhaps all discrimination is a reminder of one group being under the yoke of enforcement by another group.
As a white middle aged male, I feel entitled and generally ill- equipped to speak of discrimination. There are only two situations I've felt it strongly. The first was trying to find a changing table for my infant sons in the men's restroom (they were often in the women's room only) and secondly at nudist resorts as a single father. It's enough to make me more aware of discrimination in general, and it's also helped me to understand the viewpoint that those who don't embrace diversity (despite its inherent conflicts just bubbling under the surface) are on the wrong side of history.
Whereas changing tables are more frequent in all restrooms, local nudist resorts have remained anti-single male. That means they lost not only me, but my sons as potential future revenue. I anticipate that my sons and I, who all enjoy nudity, will eventually be independent and partnered. However, the resorts have discriminated us away for good and themselves into irrelevance, and my guess is that they will suffer more for it as a result.

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* Implying that men who have a female chaperone behave?*

I can say in my experience it is almost always the married man who is at the nudist venue without his wife that causes the most problems. Not always, but often enough that it sticks out.

John aka cobeachbum

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I can say in my experience it is almost always the married man who is at the nudist venue without his wife that causes the most problems. Not always, but often enough that it sticks out.John aka cobeachbum

Care to elaborate? As a married guy I'm not really seeing why my wife not being with me would suddenly make me problematic - it's not like I magically turn into an asshole when my wife isn't around to keep me in check, lol.

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I can say in my experience it is almost always the married man who is at the nudist venue without his wife that causes the most problems. Not always, but often enough that it sticks out.John aka cobeachbumCare to elaborate? As a married guy I'm not really seeing why my wife not being with me would suddenly make me problematic - it's not like I magically turn into an asshole when my wife isn't around to keep me in check, lol.

Only speculation on my part but an asshole is just that whether clothed or nude and if he is true to himself he'll be an asshole whenever his wife is not with him or worse yet, all the time.

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Gday guys,

I recently rejoined as I couldnt even remember my previous log in. Im a divorced single guy and many if not the majority of clubs and venues either totally reject solo males or jerk you around so long on a waiting list they hope youll give up and go away. So I started my own localised group covering my area in Australia for solo males:

North Queensland Solo Male Social Group - https://www.truenudists.com/group/nqld-solo-male-group

In my sparsely populated part of the world the area is bigger than most European countries, but its a start and Im determined to make it work. Even in this area, there must be hundreds of unaccompanied males who can band together to enjoy simple nudism/naturism by beach days, bushwalking/hiking, group bookings of venues, etc.. The only limits are our imagination and determination. Once a group is formed it could become affiliated with other nearby clubs/venues whether mixed or not.

And does anybody know how one can promote a group to others who may wish to join?

Thanks for reading

Geoff

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Does Australia have any equivalent to The Naturist Society or the American Association for Nude Recreation? If so, you might be able to promote your club through them. If not, the best you can do is to put notices on the "Groups" section of this web site or some of the other web sites like Earth Naturists or Naturists Corner, and see what happens. Good luck!

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I can say in my experience it is almost always the married man who is at the nudist venue without his wife that causes the most problems. Not always, but often enough that it sticks out.John aka cobeachbumCare to elaborate? As a married guy I'm not really seeing why my wife not being with me would suddenly make me problematic - it's not like I magically turn into an asshole when my wife isn't around to keep me in check, lol.Only speculation on my part but an asshole is just that whether clothed or nude and if he is true to himself he'll be an asshole whenever his wife is not with him or worse yet, all the time.

True, an asshole is an asshole, but more often than not the wife keeps them in check, particularly from making inappropriate comments to or ogling women.

There is nothing to elaborate, It's just been my experience in over 35 years of attending nudist venues. I will say the problems were usually not at legitimate landed clubs where such crude behavior is quickly rectified, but rather at public venues.

John aka cobeachbum

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As a single dad discriminated from family nudist venues, I'm giving up on finding a female chaperone in order for my sons and I to become respectable enough for entry. In the same way, there was no chance for me to stamp a social nudist childhood memory on my sons' childhood experiences. Both generations have likely written them off as irrelevant and they can die with their policies. On the other hand, all-male resorts are likely my best option to explore further. As per another thread, I'm pleased to learn that erections are a nonissue but overt sexual behavior is limited to private areas. In other words, they're male friendly without needing to discern oreintations. That might not make them family friendly now when my sons are still minors, but at least I'm welcome without all the judgment and drama.

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That's not an accurate comparison. It would be more accurate to ask if I'd be allowed to stay in the restaurant.

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