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My sons are similar ages to yours. Being Irish / European there was never any question of circumcision. Its only done here in exceptional circumstances. One of their friends was circumcised at 11 for medical reasons. He got great sympathy from all his friends and most of them had never seen a circumcised penis before. THATS normal!

US educators are wise in choosing their words carefully to present the norm and expectation without objectively stating it. When my sons were born, the doctor looked at me in the eyes and asked if I was SURE I didn't want the routine circumcision.

"It's free you know."

Those words stuck to me. We paid a flat "birthing fee" of less than $1,000 - the same as an emergency room deductible for falling off a ladder - for our sons birth. Inquring, I found out that my insurance paid a flat $800 for a male circumcision which takes all of 3 minutes. That's a good profit center. Of course circumcision is the norm until dads like me are willing to say NO to the authority of a doctor in full surgical gear. Follow the money.

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My sons are similar ages to yours. Being Irish / European there was never any question of circumcision. Its only done here in exceptional circumstances. One of their friends was circumcised at 11 for medical reasons. He got great sympathy from all his friends and most of them had never seen a circumcised penis before. THATS normal!US educators are wise in choosing their words carefully to present the norm and expectation without objectively stating it. When my sons were born, the doctor looked at me in the eyes and asked if I was SURE I didn't want the routine circumcision."It's free you know."Those words stuck to me. We paid a flat "birthing fee" of less than $1,000 - the same as an emergency room deductible for falling off a ladder - for our sons birth. Inquring, I found out that my insurance paid a flat $800 for a male circumcision which takes all of 3 minutes. That's a good profit center. Of course circumcision is the norm until dads like me are willing to say NO to the authority of a doctor in full surgical gear. Follow the money.

And when you follow the money you always funded cynicism, greed and vested interests. But its also worth remembering that millions spent on that procedure have an opportunity cost.

Interestingly, perhaps tellingly, I had a conversation with an eminent paediatrician here some years back - a world figure in fact. He was very strongly against circumcision in anything but the tiny minority of cases where its medically necessary. In fact he used the word barbaric in relation to unnecessary circumcision. Nobody ever made any reference to it when our boys were born - itd be simply unthinkable here they didnt suggest removing their ears or a kidney either!!

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Just as some people get tired of people discussing their "per pees", I'm worn slap out with people getting completely bent out of the fucking frame at any mention of it.It doesn't matter that was posted in a "women's forum". It could have been posted in the men's forum or even the "sex and sexuality" forum. You can bet your left tit or testicle their STILL would have been someone rolling in with sirens blaring from the Purity Patrol, ready to issue a stink eye and a stern finger wagging about how "this has nothing to do with naturism".Yes, it does. In as much as genitalia is a part of the human body and sexuality a part of human experience it does. We know - we KNOW - that nudity does not equate to sex. How coukd we not know? There's someone screaming it at every turn, it seems. That still doesn't mran it isn't part if the equation. People always say "there are other places blah blah blah" whenever ANY discussion that even partially touches on sex is attempted. Guess what? I don't WANT to go to a porn site to have a legitimate adult discussion I should be able to have right here among adults.There IS a societal stigma against cut vs. uncut here in the US and ir IS a valid topic of discussion, and frankly women need to get the fick over it and stop actibg si goddamn indignant about shit.There is ao much sexism in the nudism community in terms of how it treats men to begin with. That whole "ermagherd! he's got an erection" business is such bullshit. Unless there is accomoanying suggestive behavior along with it, all you're doing is stigmatizing a body part and function. And save it with all that "not a part of nudism" crap when women can - and frequently do - post photos of themselves sitting with their ankles in separate time zones and their hands down at their pusses - sometimes even parting the lips - and no one says a goddamn thing.You're worn out on dick discussions? I'm worn out on the attempted excising of all things sexual from our nudist lives. It's only the exhausting crusades against it that piss me off enough to want to tell everyone:"Come look at my pee pee!"

Damn well said, wish I had come up with that myself ! You are so spot on with what you say. Specially those dear, darling women that spread like a man, but don't find it a problem when their vaginal innards are on full show like a Venus Fly Trap !!!

A dick is a dick, a vagina is a vagina, each and every single one is different for whatever reason. Who actually gives a flying fuck ? Oh, the nudist police, those that feel it is their right to point out anyone else's supposed faults, but never take the time to look at their own. I call that being a two faced bitch (male or female).

Men are born with a foreskin for a reason, it's easy to keep it clean, it does not cause or create VD. As for masturbation, the foreskin has as many nerve endings as the vaginal lips of any women. American men who are circumcised have to work so much harder to achieve orgasm that a guy with a foreskin.

At the end of the day, it's all total bullshit.

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The point is no woman on here has given a ringing endorsement to the uncut penis. At best you get an "I don't care". Have you seen or heard of a woman actually preferring an uncut penis.
Am vexed at the women on here who prefer circumcised but won't say why.
Hope this helps.

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The point is no woman on here has given a ringing endorsement to the uncut penis. At best you get an "I don't care". Have you seen or heard of a woman actually preferring an uncut penis.Am vexed at the women on here who prefer circumcised but won't say why.Hope this helps.

Im genuinely trying to understand why mutilating little boys penises is something you favour so strongly. Your insistence that a natural penis is less attractive than one with a major part of its pleasure equipment removed is bizarre and makes zero sense. I just cant get my undecapitated head around it!

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I think you're directing fire at the wrong target, em1dub. roffdusen is on your side. I certainly didn't get anything in his posts about "why mutilating little boys penises" is something he favors so strongly.

He was merely saying that most women don't use the status of a man's penis as a means of judging him. And I agree, and I think that most women today would not have their sons circumcised; they know better now.

What am I to think of a woman who had her breasts enlarged or reduced surgically? While she may no longer fit into a category of women I happen have a predilection for, I'd be a fool to use that as an excuse for not respecting her as a person. And if it's something she's chosen for herself, how much more ridiculous to judge someone on something that clearly hasn't been his choice, except for rare circumstances?

So when a person happens to like the look of a circumcised penis, it doesn't follow that the person supports genital mutilation and wants all penises to look like that. It's just another aspect of why some differences in looks are appealing and others are not.

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roffsuden wrote:

Perhaps unsubtle to get the message across that women don't like them. And remember they have to suck them; not you. There is clear evidence here that WOMEN DON'T LIKE THEM. I proposed an easy non-surgical alternative.The amputee comparison is a bit extreme. The "this is how God made me, can't do anything about it" mentality galls me a tad. Because there is something you can do about it. I've told you what. Some uncut don't look too bad, but the 2 inch foreskin....yucky.Can some women wade in here since it is your forum site. A circumcised penis is clearly more attractive. I doubt a single woman would argue that.

Thanks woodsman21
I can see where youre coming from in relation to roffdusens last reply which is milder - I think I was referring back to his earlier words ( one example above ).

I understand that my use of the word mutilation is perhaps emotive but Im using it as defined in a medical dictionary. Like you my personal preference might be for natural breasts but I totally respect the right of any adult to modify or change their body in any way they like. However thats a world away from cutting off a useful healthy part of another persons body without their consent. By medical definition unnecessarily cutting off a healthy part of a persons body is mutilation. So, with the respect that I think you know I genuinely have for you,, I stand over my use of the term infant mutilation. If we were talking about female circumcision thered probably be no questions raised about the use of the word mutilation. And while I accept that female genital mutilation is even more harmful than male BOTH are harmful and indefensible.

Of course if theres a medical reason to remove any body part thats a different matter, and equally any adult man has the right to cut any part of his body off and to be respected.

But the science is very clear; foreskins serve a number of important functions, so unnecessary circumcision is doing harm. It makes no more sense than cutting off a babys ears and nobody would suggest thats not mutilation.

Unnecessary circumcision is, by medical definition, mutilation regardless of customs or collectively accepted norms. Its telling that theres no debate about calling out female circumcision as genital mutilation - a nasty truth needs to be confronted and its a good thing that the indefensible practice is now in decline ( though still all too prevalent ) in the USA.

But please do understand that even though Im expressing my strong feelings about this, I mean no disrespect to those who disagree or to men who are cut.

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As mentioned by Taganga, German women (who are exposed to way more foreskin) prefer his uncut Lt. Dingle. The whole thrust of this thread is about penis attractiveness. And that is what the focus should be solely about. If German women find an American penis more attractive, then end of discussion. A cut cock WINS in attractiveness.
In summary, an uncut cock can look like a cut cock (especially around women) without having to resort to surgery. Why you uncut guys are so resistant to peeling back Foreskin Freddie at the nude beach is beyond me. It only has to be a temporary adjustment.....and she will like it too.
Remember, we are discussing ATTRACTIVENESS on this thread.....nothing else.
Hope this clarifies any confusion.

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