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So anyone who goes to a bar, must drink alcohol !Yes, and everybody who visits Paris should climb the Eiffel tower.

I think this a perfect response e to the either/or modality it goes counter to everything we say we are fighting for when we impose your preferences on others so we feel good about our preferences. That is exactly what those who decry any form or social or public nudity do. There is no evidence that adopting the way of functioning that those who dont like our way of life do brings more people into nudism/naturism.

Its just like the quote above suggest just because I want to visit the Eiffel Tower when in Paris doesnt mean I should expect everyone who visits Paris to do the same. As long as they are able to enjoy Paris the way they want without harming or hindering my way of enjoying Paris everything should be good.

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For a great podcast on this topic, listen to this Naturist Living podcast.

https://www.naturistlivingshow.com/2009/06/why-clothing-optional-does-not-work.html

Yes that is a good podcast. I personally do not like clothing optional resorts. Clothing optional does not follow the idea of naturism. Imagine Adolf Koch in his gymnastics schools. Imagine he allowed to be clothing optional during his gymnastics. Does not work. The whole psycho sociological effect is gone. I visit also clothing optional resorts. I am always naked. (It must be under 19 degrees C, that I am not) I have a towel with me to cover if necessary. People smile and follow me and take their clothes off.

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I subscribe to the perspective of the great naturist writer, film maker and philosopher Marc Alain Descamps who said this.

Naturism should never be imposed on those who do not want it. Many people are very ashamed of their body, their sex and are traumatized by the sight of the human body, so they can never get naked. And it is necessary to respect their state, as in the various phobias. Many people cant stand the sight of mice, spiders or snakes and you shouldnt force them.

We only create more isolated and smaller naturist enclaves IMO when we require only those who are comfortable being clothes free all the time to be in the community.

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Marc Alain Descamps said also that you diffuse the exhibitionist-voyeurist relationship if all are naked. You should also take this into account.
You can always give people the possibility to adapt to a nude society in a quite place. But at most places all have to be naked.

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I have tried to find more of his writing on the subject because I have only heard Stephane from Naturist Living Show refer to that in a treatise he wrote about the decline of clothing free in European naturism during one of his campaign to be INF president. But I couldnt find more than that in his writings and I have read a lot of the English version of his writings. Does he say that in le vivre nu?

I am just asking because we both may be right but if he just mentions that in one instance but mentioned the stuff I quoted in multiple places it would be unwise to overemphasize.

I just dont see how to square respect for others and their lived experiences if we take that point of view.

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He said this in an interview in the living naked movie of Robert Salis. I'm searching also for the written text. Its a shame that Descamps did not write down all of his ideas in papers. Will follow up on this one.

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Its a shame that Descamps did not write down all of his ideas in papers. Will follow up on this one.

Interesting I have never heard where it come from before, and I havent found a version of the movie with subtitles

Actually there a great web site collection of his writing and thought. That is where I source all my material on his because I dont read French and cant find an English translation of le vivre nu
https://www.europsy.org/marc-alain/

Its in French but I use a translation program to get the most out of it.

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I prefer clothing optional mostly because my wife is more comfortable when she can choose. Some times she will just go topless. If it is a nudity required, she would not accompany me as much.

My club is a nudist resort but is only nudity required around the pool. Other place they just say nudity is expected. My wife will wear a sarong unless we are in the pool or hot tub.

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I prefer clothing optional mostly because my wife is more comfortable when she can choose. Some times she will just go topless. If it is a nudity required, she would not accompany me as much.My club is a nudist resort but is only nudity required around the pool. Other place they just say nudity is expected. My wife will wear a sarong unless we are in the pool or hot tub.

That makes sense and is more inclusive IMHO. Doesnt seem to me like it harms anyone to have her wear a sarong but that seems to be the conventional wisdom among the clothes free all the time folks

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After reading all the responses, I think I've come to support the mix whereby many areas are CO while maintaining some mandatory parts such as a pool and deck area. Enough room to accommodate timid spouses or newbies combined with the mandatory areas that shall encourage them to leave their security behind.

I'd still like to think only the weather would possibly force me to cover up whether optional or not. :-)

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